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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Poll: The Columbia Protest
« on: October 09, 2006, 09:23:31 PM »
Yea, so we should forget about it too. After all, what could possibly go wrong when the far left and the far right battle for control of a democracy?

There is no "far left" in American politics.  Maybe a few angry bloggers, but they don't count.

If you are going to oppose the "conservatives" by ignoring free speech and the principles of reasonable discourse then I'd say you are a radical, almost by self-definition. Thank goodness there arent many of these people in America, as you correctly point out

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Poll: The Columbia Protest
« on: October 09, 2006, 09:18:55 PM »
Maybe if someone had shouted down this speech



or if this fist were raised in defiance instead of deference



we would be in a better place today.

The time to play nice has long past us by.  And since when did the cons care about civil rights or free speech or constitutionally protected rights of any form?

Yea, so we should forget about it too. After all, what could possibly go wrong when the far left and the far right battle for control of a powerful country?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Poll: The Columbia Protest
« on: October 09, 2006, 09:17:05 PM »
no, what I am saying is that there are some situations, for instance GIVING A SPEECH, where people ought to be able to be heard

Okay.  I can't tell, however, whether you think this is a privilege or a right, or (as a corollary) if your objection is about manners, political strategy, ethics, morals, or legality.  I agree, for instance, that it was impolite (but not quite as impolite as, say, hunting down people) but not that it was immoral. 

Really, I'm not so sure that "giving a speech" is a narrow enough metric. Should anyone be allowed to give any speech?  And at any private place?  And if you disagree with the content of a speech, what forms of protest are available to you?  What if you will be prevented from bringing in banners or from joining the Q&A or even from attending (as in many politicians' speeches)?   

Is it the special character of the university campus that makes the protest so troublesome to you? (Do you think this bears on academic freedom?  I don't, but it's a better argument than the one that rests on free speech in my eyes.) If the speech had been at a church or a private foundation or a museum or a private home, would you be upset in the same way?  What if Columbia had said no to the College Republicans bringing Gilchrist to speak? 

umm, no one is saying that people ought to be allowed to speak anywhere they please. I am saying that if I invite a speaker and a bunch of people to listen to him on MY property, and the audience shouts him down, that that is not only bad manners but that it shows a lack of respect for free speech on behalf of the shouters, not the least because this particular place this guy was invited to speak was devoted to free speech. further columbia would have been completely within their rights to throw these people out and arrest them for trespassing on the stage

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Law School Applications / Re: NYU or Columbia ED?
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:25:01 AM »
Columbia.  Amazing professors, nice location, waaaaay cheaper apartments, great people.  NYU has the location, but a bunch of people leave MH every weekend anyway.  Unless you are public interest committed (in which NYU really does have a superior loan repayment plan), I'd say CLS. 

Of course, if you can manage a visit before you submit it always helps...

nyu is easier to get into though for the borderline applicants

depends on the gpa/lsat combo.  our schools have different preferences after all.

i dont know, i guess NYU takes more higher gpa people and cls takes more higher lsat people but the difference is pretty  small. the schools are pretty similar, except columbia's a little more prestigious

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: What is BigLaw?
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:23:39 AM »
Many of the larger firms do encourage thier attorneys to do some pro bono work every year.  It fits into their PR strategy.  "We're not all cold and heartless, we are compassionate and good corporate citizens"  My firm is like this along with a lot of others in so-cal.

yea, but on other hand you have pressure to do actual work, and even at the best firms the average of pro-bono hours per lawyer is under 100 per year
at my firm, lawyers are encouraged to spend time on the pro bono work, but they get very little in outside resources (ie translator fees, costs for research, reports, etc)

wow thats terrible

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: OK what the hell?
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:23:01 AM »
i left my phd program because i didn't want to spend my life cutting heads off rats and scraping the brains out of their skulls.

i decided not to be a doctor because i can't imagine the pressure of having someone's life in your hands.

so i went to law school.

i hope that answers your question.

i do miss math and science...and i really like physics. ok back to reading torts.

What kind of lawyer do you want to be?  Much of the practice of advocacy is saving people from one form of ruin or another . . . that pressure is much of what makes it worth doing to me . . .

nah, there's lots to be done talking to companies about buying other companies, talking to people and companies about taxes, filing patents, suing one company on behalf of another and so on

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Poll: The Columbia Protest
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:19:05 AM »
Let me ask YOU, Mr Trollman:

if a man wanted to use your living room to make an anti-military speech, and you denied him the opportunity to do so, would that be an abridgment of his rights?

1. Why feed the troll
2. that's not what happened. What happened was he invited some dude to make a speech in his living room, wanted to hear it, and invited his neighbors too, and his neighbors got pissed off and shouted the guy down. columbia students =/= columbia university

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Poll: The Columbia Protest
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:09:50 AM »
If you read my posts you'll see that I acknowledged that shouting someone down isn't illegal, but reflects poorly on the students and if you think that any person has an obligation to prevent someone they disagree with from speaking then that effectively defeats the purpose of not allowing the government to interfere with free speech.

Except that our whole constitution and legal system are premised on the difference between public and private actions and actors.  My mom can punish me for taking the Lord's name in vain; the police can't.

I'm not saying what they did should be illegal. I am saying that it shows they don't care about free speech. It is true that if everytime someone got outraged they behaved like this we would have much less of an open public dialogue.

I really don't think this is about "free speech."  Free speech doesn't mean that everyone should be able to say whatever they want at any time; free speech means the state doesn't restrict our speech.  Under your interpretation of "free speech," there are a whole lot of environments and mundane situations that seem to be of concern because of the limiations they place on absolute freedom to say whatever one wants at any time (e.g., the library, the classroom, etc.).  Do these disturb you in the same way? 

The protesters did not want to offer Gilchrist the privilege of speaking on their campus.  The protest, rather than showing their lack of respect for the rights of free speech, evinces both their appreciation of these rights and their desire to preserve the quality of the dialogue on campus.

no, what I am saying is that there are some situations, for instance GIVING A SPEECH, where people ought to be able to be heard

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Never heard a word from LSAC, but my account no longer has Loyola listed as a college attended and my u-grad LSDAS report is complete.

Success!

cool

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: LSD Culture
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:04:53 AM »
no, he is espousing some sort of viewpoint in addition to the name calling. 
Does banning people like that even serve a purpose if they can create another account?
We can ban IPs.

dude this ain't gonna work against trolls and people with grudges

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