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Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:06:52 AM »
Hi Loki,

I was pleasantly surprised.  I am not sure if the "priority" wait list is truly priority or if they are just exceptionally nice at rejection.  I will craft a nice letter and snail mail it today and sit tight. 

Thanks again

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: March 22, 2017, 09:24:46 PM »
Thanks again to those who offered advice a few months ago.

As an update, I did bomb the LSAT twice.  I came to the conclusion that I simply suck at the LSAT.  My apps were completed prior to any scores being released, but I put the idea of going to law school out of my head, threw away my LSAT materials, and continued on with life (other job interviews, looking into other grad school options etc...)

One random morning recently I received an email from a school back east that I had no business getting into, and got in.  A few minutes later I received an email from another school I had no business getting into indicating I was on the "priority wait list."

So I guess the lesson is that while the numbers are vital, they are not everything... I have decided not to move back east for school, so it's the waitlist school or bust.     

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 15, 2016, 02:01:15 PM »
I see.  Thank you to everybody who provided insight! 

I am excited about this journey, even in the event that I have to take the LSAT a third time in June and apply to 2018 cycle so I do not go into significant debt.

Thanks again folks

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 13, 2016, 10:44:42 AM »
Police do the WORST at conlaw and crimlaw and crimpro of any student group. I have my theories as to why that is. But just be prepared.

My guess would be they underestimate the subject matter thinking they know it all?  Or they think and write like cops on the exams?


Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 11, 2016, 12:44:08 AM »

Jobs/Starting Salary
It is awesome that you have contacts and a soft job offer, but I can tell you as someone who worked in govt that there is no way they can definitively tell you that they will be able to hire you in three or four years. If the economy dumps, they won't be hiring anyone. Govt hiring is very different from private firms, who can pretty much hire and fire at will. For govt jobs, the funding has to be in place, the job has to be posted, and lots of people get a say in the decision.

I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm just saying keep an open mind because you may need to look elsewhere for employment depending on circumstances.

Which brings me to my next point: don't go to law with unless you are willing to practice whatever kind of law you can get a job in. If the DA isn't hiring, be prepared to defend DUIs, or write wills or petition for child custody modifications. I would say that 75% of the people in my graduating class started off wanting to be local prosecutors/US Attorneys/Biglaw, whatever. Maybe 10% got those jobs. The rest took whatever they could get.

Part Time Programs
I am a fan of part time programs for non-trad students. I know a lot of people aren't fans because it takes four years instead of three, but I am. First, you can work (even if only part time) and avoid racking up debt. Second, the students tend to be a little more mature. I think it's an easier transition than being plopped into a class full of 22 year olds. Just a thought.

Hope that helps!

Hope that helps!

It is very helpful!  Thank you and Loki too for taking time to fill me in on the realities surrounding the admissions practice and law in general.  These forums are great resources for wannabe attorneys. 

I have networked like crazy in making this mid-career move, but I would be flexible to working in other arenas if none of these worked out. 

The more research and advice I seek out seems to reveal that law school is a bad idea for a lot (maybe most) people.  If my Feb and June LSAT scores are not significantly improved I may throw a grenade on this and pursue other grad school opportunities.

Thanks again!

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 09, 2016, 01:35:15 AM »
Hi Maintain,

It is objectively difficult to get over the "holy *&^% I may get into law school" excitement and take a pragmatic view regarding debt.  I am familiar with the loan forgiveness that some public service jobs offer, but paying down that much debt making 60k a year as a new prosecutor would be an absolute bear.  The loan is essentially a mortgage.

Strangely I am taking around an initial 23k pay cut if I went the DA route or an initial 15k pay cut for the opportunity at the small firm.  The ultimate economics work out though assuming I am at least decent at it and have a normal career progression.   

My UG was paid for by the GI Bill, so I am ignorant to student loans.  This may seem like a silly question, but what exactly do student loans cover?  Does interest accumulate while you're in school?  I would rather not dip into my 401 or 457.  My 150 school is outside of the state but we do have alot of family in the area, the logistics just may get weird with an apartment rental, flights back and forth for long weekends etc...

Thank you for the info and feedback!  I will definitely be pursuing the most cost effective option, which may mean taking a final LSAT in June and applying early for 2018 start.   


Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 08, 2016, 05:27:18 PM »
LOL with the addendum I was thinking of articulating that I know I can score higher and am retaking, but your explanation does point out how absurd trying to explain that is.  Thanks for pointing that out and for the information on the admissions process!  Looking back on that I cannot even believe it entered my head, post-LSAT crazy speculation I guess. 

I am applying to three schools (geographic restrictions and all), with their med LSATS at 157, 150, and 161.  I have no illusions or desire to chase top 10% or biglaw.  The first listed is my first choice.   

I am glad to hear that the pre-school job offers are a plus in the application.  I also managed to snag an LOR from a State Attorney General I got to know with a case I worked, so I am really hoping my softs are solid. 

Thank you again!  I am sending off my apps tomorrow and started studying again today.         


Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: December 07, 2016, 01:32:38 PM »
Holy crap you have a very compelling story.  How did you finish UG while being an SF soldier during the crazy years?  Or did you enlist with a degree?  Just curious, not flaming at all. 

I have been told by many sources that Northwestern is very fond of professional experience.  May be a fit with your very solid numbers.   

Thank you for your service!

Law School Admissions / Personal Statement
« on: December 07, 2016, 01:27:01 PM »
Hi all,

Just background so I can hopefully get solid answers.  3.63 LSAC gpa and I just took the LSAT a couple of days ago. Not a URM.  I was practicing in the 155-162 range and my goal was 155+.  I am a military veteran and was a police officer for around ten years (patrol and detective), which piqued my interest in practicing criminal law.  I was fortunate to obtain an offer for employment at both a private firm and a DA's office in my area (assuming all goes well and I make it through ok). 

After sitting for the LSAT a couple of days ago, I am near certain that I will be lucky to have scored a couple of points below my target school's 25th%, and my GPA is above their 75th%.  Without discussing the contents directly the last two games killed me.  What has been everybody's experience with reverse splitters?

Is the low'ish LSAT worth an addendum?  I do not have a good excuse, I simply had to pee like crazy during RC and bombed the last two games.  I already signed up to retake in Feb however, I know from studying since August and taking a prep course that my absolute maximum potential right now is a 162 on a great day.

I have an insecurity about the process, but I am wondering if many schools will even care.  I completed my first two years of undergrad at a community college because it was the cheapest option.  I then did a semester in person at a large state school while employed as a police officer, and quickly figured out that finishing online was the way to go due to me having on-call requirements as a detective.  I finished online at a large state school's online arm.  Will they care?  Should I explain in my ps or an addendum why it was necessary to finish online instead of in-person?       

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