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Law School Admissions / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 10:17:16 AM »
people always site strict numbers when talking about AA. and always make the assumption that underqualified minorities are being selected over qualified minorities and in many cases thats false.  when talking about numbers u have to look at the entire picture.  saying only 29 were blk with a certain GPA and score means relatively little if u don't look at the total number of blks taking the LSAT in the first place.

true, law schools look at numbers, but they also look at other variables such as trends in grades, hardships, rigor of study, etc.  we ALL know this and if we didn't think it mattered we wouldn't ALL be trying to spin ourselves trying to show how unique we are or writing addendums to explain our numbers and hardships.

people say base everything on numbers, but thats not fair considering the gaps in education.  urban schools serving minority populations can not compete with suburban schools and schools in more affluent neighborhoods.  its not b/c the students in the poor neighbor hoods aren't intellectually capable, its b/c they don't have access to the same resources and thats a fact.  people in these schools start with a disadvantage and spend most of their education playing catch up.  so if a student from this situation can go to college, many are still trying to master things that most have already learned so of course it will be harder for this person to produce a 4.0.

i am not trying to justify lower gpas and scores, but i am trying to provide an alternative way of looking at it.

someone here said something about it being insulting to say "thats pretty good for an African-American"  i don't always think that and realize that scoring a 155 with a 3.0 is good for anyone that doesn't have access to certain resouces and lived in a certain enviroment.  it just so happens that peopel in these situations are minorities.

before u get into the "white people have those experiences too" argument, I don't deny that fact, but poor white people are still white and have access to the privilege that comes from being white in America.

ok, this is kinda long and probably doesn't make sense, but oh well.  i will find out soon enough.:)

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 10, 2004, 12:39:23 PM »
do i sense some insecurity?


still don't see it.  to be honest, it seems like other emails and letters i have otten from law schools.  

but if you guys say its funny and obnoxious the it is.
if u say u of i is not a natioanlly known school then thats true too.
if u say u of i is full of arrogant chicagoians then i guess i have to believe u.

i mean after all u guys have high LSAT scores so that must mean ur right about almost everything. ;D

naw, i am not insecure.  my scores weren't great, but i have other stuff going for me and i am sure i will get into many of the schools that i have applied too.  but keep ur fingers crossed on DePaul b/c thats my first choice.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 10, 2004, 12:30:55 PM »
I don't understand why this is true:

if things WERE equal, then that urm probably wouldn't have a 2.8 GPA. That is the whole point...
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I graduated with a 4.0 from a high school that was 95% African American.  Could I argue that I was discriminated against because I was White?  Why not?

Your education is what you make of it.  If a black guy only comes out with a 3.2 and I come out of the same university with a 3.6, why should he get special treatment?

your education is what u make of it.  but explain how prepared u will be when u r using outdated text books, have no computers in the classroom, an administration that would rather label u as a special ed student than look at ur situation and realize u can't concentrate b/c ur hungry.  how can u make the most of that?  people from poor areas are will always be at a disadvantage and spend more time playing catch up in college if they can get there.  had that person had the same tools as a white person with access to more resources they might have been able to get that 3.6 or higher.

in the end maybe AA should focus on economic background but then again i see that as being pointless.  even though affirmative action could be based on economic disadvantage it would not provide for accurate representation in schools and the workforce.  

in a society that has excluded minorities for so long, it would not be surprising to see many more poor white people in colleges and jobs, than blks, latinos and whatever.  if we are gonna talk about AA we need to be honest.  if poor whites fall under AA and the people making decisions are white they will be more likely to pick the white guy over the minority and feel good about it b/c they are following affirmative action.  studies have shown that we chose people based on our perceptions and comfort levels.  so the impact of basing AA on socio-economic background could lead to a situation where minorities will be exluded on the same levels or greater levels than in the past.

and just for the record i am not racist one of my closets friends is white ;D


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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 10, 2004, 12:01:17 PM »
still don't see it.  to be honest, it seems like other emails and letters i have otten from law schools.  

but if you guys say its funny and obnoxious the it is.
if u say u of i is not a natioanlly known school then thats true too.
if u say u of i is full of arrogant chicagoians then i guess i have to believe u.

i mean after all u guys have high LSAT scores so that must mean ur right about almost everything. ;D

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 10, 2004, 11:52:37 AM »
so whats funny and obnoxious about that email again?

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 10, 2004, 08:32:07 AM »
once again, u of i has a national reputation.  and a good one none the less.  just b/c u haven't heard of the school doesn't mean it is not famous.  if it wasn't i don't think they would have people applying from all over the country.

and by ur logic, certain schools would not be famous b/c a few people hadn't heard of them.  my grandparents never heard of vanderbilt and only learned about northwestern b/c my uncle worked in the dinning halls.  doe sthat mean they aren't famous?  apparently Cooley is famous, yet i never heard of it until i came to this board.

once again, say what u will but the facts are there.  u of i is a famous school with a good national reputation.

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 10, 2004, 08:20:51 AM »
can u explain why u don't think it is a national school?

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 10, 2004, 08:17:15 AM »
I just read the original post after reading the last few pages of this thread.  That email was definitely obnoxious, no question. 

U of Illinois and the people who go there have a serious identity complex.  They think that they're at a gigantic version of Harvard because their engineering program is in the top 3 behind MIT and Stanford.  The truth of the matter is that their liberal arts college (which overshadows the size of any other college in the university by at least 10,000 students) is fairly mediocre.  I took TestMasters with a smear of Liberal Arts/Sciences and Business students from U of I, and when they came off their mediocre pedestal and realized they weren't getting it, they still refused to ask meaningful questions because they're too cool for school; I guess they figured that since they went to Mega-Harvard there is no conceivable way they needed help.  All the while I was asking questions like hotcakes, and utilizing our instructor (who had scored a 179) and probably ended up with a score 5 or 6 points higher than any other person in the class.  (I talked to two people from the class after the test and they both scored sub 150, even after TM--all the others weren't cracking 160 after 2 months of TM to my knowledge). I know the mean LSAT for UIUC grads is only like 151, according to one of their grad's LSDAS report.   

I had a congressional scholarship to go to any Illinois-state funded school, and even though U of Illinois is the "best" academically, their haughty attitude and frat-life environment made me want to wretch immediately. I was on the first bus to the next highest program after experiencing their arrant hubris.

So to reiterate, U of Illinois has an identity complex, and because of this that email surprises me not one bit.

say what u will about u of i, but ur opinions can not over shadow the facts.  U of I is highly ranked law school with a national reputation. they are a famous school and simply b/c some people on this board and their parents, friends, cousins, whatever are so narrow minded that they think any school not a T14 is crap and not worth their consideration doesn't mean those schools are not excellent schools.

and basing ur arguments on the few u of i students in ur prep class is just crazy.  in no way shape or form can those few students reflect the entire u of i campus.  that is like me trying to say u represent everyone in southern/central illinois.  i find ur arguments weak and question the validity of ur "data"


and no i did not go to u of i and i am not applying there.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: chicago-kent mail
« on: November 09, 2004, 02:18:41 PM »
honors program: 
from my understanding u get tuition and fees plus 10,000 a year for living expenses.  u have to apply for it and minimum lsat is 164.  most of their past recipients had work experience and advanced degrees with many from the hard sciences.

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i usually vote democrat b/c i see it as the lesser of two evils. i identify with more of the philosophies of this party than i do with republicans.  however, i don't agree with them all. 

what we have is two parties both taking their ideologies to extreme points.  what we need right now is a party that is in the middle. maintaining that middle ground is how u win votes and elections.  the democrats didn't do that this time and hasn't really done that in a while.  the goal is not to attract the extremists but to attract the large number of people that are borderline republican/democrat.



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