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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 12, 2004, 10:12:15 AM »
like i said, it cprobably was sent out by mistake and everybody and every institution makes mistakes.  btw, Yale is not above making mistakes dude. my point is people here jump all over mistakes like everything has to be and should be perfect. 

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 12, 2004, 09:22:04 AM »
hmmm...

thats another thing, this is a discussion board not a formal writing class.  i don't expect anyone here to use perfect grammar simply b/c for the most part we use internet slang.  what is typed here is not necessarily an accurate indication of how well a person writes or thier understanding of the english language and its many rules.

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Law School Admissions / Re: lmao, illinois
« on: November 12, 2004, 09:00:22 AM »
u guys really need to lay off.  i mean u find fault with everything.  i guess u analyze everything just to find mistakes so u can come here and post them to flex ur intellectual muscle.  its kinda sad.  some of u seem so insecure about ur intellectual abilities that u can only feel good about urself by slamming other people and schools.  i truly hope u guys get into ur top choice because maybe that will help with those insecurity issues.


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: OBNOXIOUS undergrads
« on: November 12, 2004, 08:44:55 AM »
wow!!! that article is crazy.

as an undergrad, i never could do any og the things those guys did.  i guess it was b/c my family barely had enough money to buy food and i worked crazy hours just to pay for books and basic necessities.  but hey, if ur parents let u do it what can i say.
i will just wear me gaps jeans and my wal-mart sweater and be happy, ;D

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Law School Admissions / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 02:45:43 PM »

If given the same advantages, etc blacks score lower then wouldn't that mean they are generally less qualified?

Although that's one interpretation of the data, the following interpretation is more widely held among colleges in America. Because URMs get lower scores than Whites holding things like income and geography constant, it means they are being discriminated against in a way that is not captured by socioeconomic status.
Specifically, being a minority has inherent disadvantages that affect even the most affluent among them. I mentioned specifics before but let me say again that ideas like "stereotype threat," "implicit assocation," and "dynamic social networking" all lead to the conclusion that purely racial discrimination still occurs.

Whether using AA to balance the playing field due to these inequities is morally justified is a very personal question.


but you are assuming that they are capable of getting equivalent scores in the first place.

i'm trying to understand ur perspective here.  r u saying blk students are inheriently less intelligent than white students which will account for lower scores?  or are u saying their are factors contributing to the lower scores?

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Law School Admissions / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 12:29:30 PM »
The comments on this thread about AA have been interesting but I think we should all withold any conclusive remarks about racial preferences because the topic is entirely too complex.

That is nonsense. I've been studying this issue for years, and followed the recent Supreme Court cases very closely, while they were still in appeals court. Speak for yourself if you find the topic too complex.

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We as citizens have to accept the consequences of this gross inequality. Remember, AA would not be necessary, if our ethnocentric English fathers had not decided to enslave a group of people because they were to lazy to pick their own cotton and tobacco 

Again, this is absurd. People cannot be held morally responsible for the actions of their ancestors. And since the descendents of slave owners are a tiny minority, even if we could hold people morally responsible for the actions of their ancestors, why should everyone else -- especially people whose families came to this country recently -- be held responsible for something that neither they nor their ancestors had anything at all to do with?

And again, no one has addressed a fundamental question:  why should the African American son of a successful neurosurgeon get preference over the white son of poor coal miner? Why use race as a proxy if our desired metric for admissions is adversity?

For those unfamiliar with the law, you should know that, according to the Supreme Court in Bakke and reaffirmed in the more recent Michigan cases Grutter and Gratz, Affirmative Action in the university admissions process can only be justified on the grounds of expanding viewpoint diversity, and not on the grounds of ameliorating the effects of past discrimination, nor on the grounds of making underrepresented groups better represented in proportion to the makeup of the general population.

Interestingly, viewpoint diversity has a number of illogical holes of its own. Just as skin color is no good proxy for adversity, skin color is an even worse proxy for viewpoints. And if viewpoint diversity is the goal, why give preferences to only racial minorities? Surely religious and political minorities have more consistent viewpoints as a group than racial minorities. Their very essence is their viewpoint; that is how the group is defined.

i too have studied AA and u have to acknowledge that fact that AA was a result of the civil rights movement.  u say not to base thing on race, but the entire system is based on that.  from slavery, to jim crow, to racial profiling.  teh difference is those things did not have benefits for the groups being judged by thier race.


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Two Points
« on: November 11, 2004, 11:58:58 AM »
people don't realize how out of place they look in the city. its not practical at all.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 11:50:30 AM »
its not that hard to get into mensa.  

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Two Points
« on: November 11, 2004, 11:25:08 AM »
metrosexuals freak me out.  screws with my gaydar sometimes.  so do bisexual guys.  but i guess thats just me.  anyway, i'm not really into guys that use "products" and all that jazz.  the abercrombie look really isn;t for me.  yet all the guys around here see to strive for that.

as far as the cars go, i'm not impressed by the expensive car mommie and daddy bought.  i am more impressed by the guy driving the honda, working in the dining hall to pay for it.

i guess i am weird.  but oh well

and smoothies are kick ass.  

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Law School Admissions / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 10:58:11 AM »
The comments on this thread about AA have been interesting but I think we should all withold any conclusive remarks about racial preferences because the topic is entirely too complex. I think, it should be granted that minorities receieve preference (deserved or not)in the admissions process. Is it true that by "strict numbers" some applicants are going to have better numbers than a minority but still denied admission, yes. But unfortunately, we are all citizens of a country that has tremendous but tragic history. Only until forty years ago did blacks get the right to vote and have schools desegregated "with all delibrate speed." We as citizens have to accept the consequences of this gross inequality. Remember, AA would not be necessary, if our ethnocentric English fathers had not decided to enslave a group of people because they were to lazy to pick their own cotton and tobacco. Blacks had it pretty tough in this country for 200 yrs, in my opinion AA is the least we can do. Just be thankful that all of us will eventually be lawyers some day and that is an immense accomplishment. 

interesting post, but i am afraid u just opened the door for the "that happend (insert number here) ago argument.  or they "that was in the past" argument.  or even the, "i never owned slaves, why shoul di have to pay/suffer/feel the effects" argument.

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