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Law School Admissions / Re: How do you intend to use your J.D.?
« on: January 02, 2006, 12:43:54 PM »

If you've never had any experiences, then how do you learn from them?

Everyone has experiences. And some people learn from other people's experiences.

Law School Admissions / Re: How do you intend to use your J.D.?
« on: January 02, 2006, 07:15:16 AM »
What kind of work will you seek?  How do you plan on using your law school education as a vehicle to get there?  I know that this topic probably doesn't belong in this folder, but I'd like to solicit as many responses as possible. 

No, it is a very wise question which shows that someone is thinking beyond law school. Most of the questions refer to "why do you want to study law" "why do you want to go to law school", etc. which limits the responder to thinking of things to say as a way of getting into law school.

A misconception held by many is that law school is only for those who want to pass the bar exam and practice as a lawyer. Some people actually enjoy studying and learning law, others find knowledge of law as useful in their everyday lives and careers. Some people believe that knowledge of a wide area of law is necessary as a means of protection from unscrupulous characters, (which sometimes includes the lawyers themselves).

I recently read the the demand for more lawyers is created by the lawyers.
A JD degree provides many opportunities, such as practicing law, working in the field of law, teaching law, etc.


True, the ceiling still exists to an extent (not just for minorities but for women as well). The culture at many firms is still very much an 'old boys' network.

The instructor of my Con Law course said exactly the same thing.

I also noticed during my many paralegal interviews and observations that I met with only one woman lawyer, and the others were all white men--most of whom asked little or nothing about education and skills and abilities, but seemed more interested about who I know, my marital status, etc. None of the law firms asked about letters of reference or recommendation, certificate awards, etc.
I usually felt more as if I was interviewed for a potential client/lawyer relationship and was almost always offered a business card. It seemed that the larger the firm, the less likely to make it past the front desk, while at one of the small firms I felt as if I was expected to handle my own interviews and then bill myself for the consultation fees.

The only black lawyers and one Hispanic lawyer whom I have observed (at court) were practicing criminal defense at state and federal levels.

Interestingly enough, lawyers do not discuss their own personal lives during an interview. Only two of the lawyers interviewed kept family pictures in the office. While it seemed white men could much more easily enter as an associate of a firm directly from law school, only the woman lawyer was in solo practice and, after establishing a clientele, was invited to join a law firm.

The only encouraging thought that I have concerning the matter is that one person's glass ceiling is someone else's glass floor.

Law School Admissions / Re: Call from Harvard
« on: December 11, 2005, 06:52:30 AM »
If Harvard calls me on my cell phone, why should I have to pay?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: The most addictive thing about LSD is...
« on: November 27, 2005, 08:29:02 AM »
ah, mostly something to look at during perpetual study sessions.

"Don't pay any attention to the critics--don't even ignore them."
  -- Samuel Goldwyn

I would've assumed that a law degree is a law degree is a law degree. Am I wrong?

Allow me to reiterate. One day I was at a lawyer's office with my paralegal degree. The lawyer asked about the school where I received the degree because "he had never heard of it". (Mind you, the college is located in the same city where the lawyer practices.) I did not mention the fact that I had never heard of the law school(s) where he received his law degrees.

What I am about to say is this --most lawyers and law firms know the names and rankings of the law schools because they have been through the process of researching and applying to the various schools. The name of the school is a "prestige thing" for them, but not necessarily for the clients.

And, although most clients recognize the names of the very highest ranking law schools, (i.e. Harvard, Yale, etc) most clients who really need a lawyer don't consider the name or reputation of the law school per se as the most important issue. The lawyer's reputation is more important.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Perspective on Law School
« on: November 23, 2005, 08:05:17 AM »
The real perspective?

I have learned many things about law firms. The hiring partners want to know how the applicant will benefit the firm (and hence, themselves.)Perfectly understandable.

Some firms will directly ask discriminative questions, others are more discreet.
Basically, the firms really want to know:

how old are you? (can we mold you into 'our' way of doing things? is the firm expected to provide a parent/child relationship or a child/parent relationship? a young or mature image?)

are you married? do you have kids? (the firm is either pro-family, or anti-family. the firm either celebrates holidays or works through the holidays.)

who is your spouse? what does your spouse do? (does your spouse have a respectable position in the community? how much does he/she earn? will the spouse interfere with our business relationship? are we related? is the spouse a client?)

who's your daddy? (is he rich? is he a client? can you afford to work here? are we related?)

any friends or family who are lawyers? (someone who the firm knows? who put the idea of becoming a lawyer into your head? someone who qualifies as a contact to get you hired into a law firm? will we meet at seminars, brunch, dinner parties?)

where did you go to school? who were your professors? ("our" school? we want diversity? the "right" school? the "right" professors? professor used to practice here? professor is an ex of one of our lawyers? the school referred you here?)

How much do you expect to earn here? (salary? benefits? kickbacks? tips? gratuities? gifts? under the table? palm-greasing? favors? etc)

any more questions? I could think of some.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: What makes you ridiculously happy?
« on: November 22, 2005, 04:20:13 PM »
1. puppies
2. meeting someone with whom I share common interests
3. money
4. another 'A'

ah, life's pleasures....

Law School Admissions / Re: Harvard vs Stanford
« on: November 21, 2005, 09:13:10 AM »
Harvard has a larger selection of tax law courses, although I think I prefer Stanford's selection of Business and Commercial Law courses.

I sort of prefer Stanford's webpage layout over Harvard's, but I really like Chihuahas.

I prefer a warm climate.

I suppose the cost of either school is comparable.

However, the recent Congressional vote for the Deficit Reduction Act probably wipes out any chances of acceptance at either Harvard or Stanford. The nursing home is probably getting all of the inheritance money.

Have a good day.

Law School Admissions / Re: Open Message to Third Tier T*ilets
« on: November 13, 2005, 09:01:41 AM »
My grades are certainly high enough for acceptance into a good law school. I haven't received any law school spam, other than one advertisement from one of the schools at Chicago. (Asking for information from a law school opens one's self up to all sorts of irrelevant propaganda.)

I am more interested in the academics and curriculum, acceptance and graduation requirements, cost and financial aid. Period.

Of course, I have been considering all of the alternatives. Realizing that, at my age, the chances getting hired at a law firm are rather small, therefore what would be the point of accumulating a large amount of law school debt? Economically, it would not make sense.
"You MUST attend an ABA approved law school or you won't get hired at a law firm." "Online law degrees are not approved by the ABA, and you won't get hired at a law firm."
"The only way to practice law is to attend an ABA approved law school, and pass the Bar."

Anyone ever wonder why the ABA website does not explain the alternatives, or why the rules are not consistant from one state to another? i.e. online law schools, apprenticeships, non-ABA law schools, law schools approved by the states' Supreme Courts, etc? The thought of never-ending costs of continuing education, license to practice, bar association dues, etc, etc, makes the ABA law school approval system seem more as a kickback system.

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