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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Columbia Reserve
« on: April 27, 2005, 01:28:04 PM »
unranked waitlist

based on info posted on LSD and XOXO, it sounds like it's pretty big.

It's certainly big, but I get the impression that it's not exactly like a typical waitlist.  It seems that they intentionally have a very large reserve pool from which they definitely accept/reject a substantial number of people, and then waitlist again.

Ok, Columbia decided to offer me a 20K grant.
So here are the cost breakdown

UVA 146700 (approx)for the three years minus 42000 = 104700
NYU 177000 (approx)for the three years minus 37500 = 139500
CLS 167400 (approx)for the three years minus 20000 = 147400

CLS also includes a 3,500 per year Perkins loan with a 7% interest with a grace period until 9 months after graduation.

does this information make anyone chance their mind, why

Those numbers seem a bit low to me, across the board.  Are you taking tuition and COL inflation into account for 2L and 3L?  It will have the effect of making NYU and Columbia seem more expensive (1.06 x a higher tuition increases the disparity between tuitions, but that assumes that tuition increases will be the same everywhere, which they won't).

On to substance, well, there isn't any.  It's really tough.  I think it boils down to look/feel.  If you have a strong interest in being in NYC -- stronger than the average person who wants to be in NY, that is -- Columbia/NYU seems like the obvious choice.  If not, and you like UVA, save some money and go to a school that is almost as good and, by most accounts, a better experience.

I'm almost certainly UVA bound, but if I had Columbia/NYU within 35k or so, I'd probably go to one of those.

To answer your earlier point, 35k isn't all that much if you want to do biglaw.  Three years worth of car use probably equates to $6-7k off of that difference (though frequent taxi use in NYC would negate most of that, and random COL extras like booze would negate even more).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: opinions on UVA, NYU, CLS
« on: April 27, 2005, 06:53:41 AM »
I'm in at UVA with $45k and on reserve at Columbia.  I've already sent in my UVA deposit and I'm probably going there, even if I get into Columbia or Chicago eventually.

But if I had a Columbia/NYU/Chicago money offer like you do, it would probably change my mind.  Sure, NYU will cost you more as Bruin04 noted, but if the difference is well under $50k, I think NYU/Columbia's added prestige might be a better option (this wouldn't be true if you don't want to work in NYC).

For me, the cost difference would be upwards of $75k, so it's hard not to choose UVA, even though I slightly prefer Columbia.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U Chicago vs. UVa/Duke?
« on: April 26, 2005, 04:31:44 PM »
Chicago>UVA>Duke, unless you fall in love with UVA or Duke, or hate Chicago.

And there are no law school versions of a frat house.

I am probably going to UVA, even if I get off the waitlist at Chicago.  Chicago has an edge over UVA (and a significant edge over Duke) on several levels, especially in conservative circles, but I really like UVA and think the physical plant at Chicago is somewhat depressing.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UVA Deposit
« on: April 26, 2005, 04:22:05 PM »
I'm in the same situation with Berkeley. How long ago did you submit the scholarship match application?

April 7th - not looking good.


Me too.  Fairly settled on UVA, but waiting for Berkeley match, which I also sent in on or about April 7.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UMichigan v. UVA
« on: April 26, 2005, 12:18:50 PM »
There's a lot more factors besides climate, if that's all you can see you aren't looking hard enough

I think it comes down to look/feel when deciding between these two schools.  A key component of look/feel is weather.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U Chicago Wailist Confusion
« on: April 25, 2005, 08:48:47 PM »
If you have been waitlisted at U Chicago in any form please help me out, it is my top choice.
I got a waitlist for this year/guaranteed admission for next year option
Did others get a regular waitlist only?
It seems that some got a waitlist this year/consideration for 2006 or 2007.  Is this true?
So are there really 3 diff waitlists?
Thanks so much for your help!!!

Mine has the consideration for 2006 or 2007 option ... though it sounds it would be fairly likely to work out (it's a lot like applying early decision).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UVA vs PENN
« on: April 25, 2005, 04:38:12 PM »
for some reason i always think penn is undoubtedly better than uva (i'm going to uva).  is this just some west coast bias i have?  even though i'd rather live in charlottesville, and appreciate the lower col, i irrationally think i would go to penn if accepted off their WL.  weird.

There is no way Penn is "undoubtedly better" than UVA.  And if you truly had a West Coast bias, you would ditch both of those schools and go to Boalt.

Now the question is what U Virginia is like. I've heard of it being referred to as the "beer and softball" law school in books and even a Chicago student told me to go there if I wanted to have fun. This sounds like a pretty sweet deal especially considering that has an excellent academic reputation and one of the highest academic experience ratings according to Vault. I'll try making a trip there before their deposit deadline on the 29th, but I doubt I can make it. From pictures it looks beautiful, and I wouldn't mind living in Charlottesville.  I've searched for some posts on the school, but I was wondering if any of you have had experience with the school and have anything to add? Thanks again!

You really should visit UVA this week, somehow, someway.  It's a great place, but not for the beer and softball reasons that oversimplify and distort.

anyone who gets priority waitlist for this year/acceptance next year from georgetown: simply send them a thoughtful email expressing you desire to go there and why you prefer it to other top schools. they will follow up with an acceptance letter. This is what happened to me.

This happened to me too, and I was telling the truth, but then UVA gave me money, so I'm not going to Georgetown.  I feel bad, but that's the way it goes, I suppose.

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