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Choosing the Right Law School / Deferred at Kent - Should I bother?
« on: March 10, 2005, 01:10:14 PM »
Much to my surprise/dismay I finally received word from Chicago Kent today.  I've been deferred and they are encouraging me to resubmit and be considered for the evening program.

I've already been accepted across town at DePaul.  I've received a scholarship and I've been accepted into the CIPLIT IP writing program.  Until today, I suspected that I'd see roughly the same decision/scholarship from Kent.

Now my decision is much more difficult.  In light of the deferral, I must assume that I would not qualify in for any merit scholarship at Kent.  Had all things been held equal... both schools with acceptances into the fulltime program with equal scholarships, I think I would have selected Kent based on its reputation and its facilities (Kent's building is MUCH nicer than DePaul's).
So, I guess the question that must be answered is this:

Is attending Kent part-time with no scholarship really worth that much more than attending DePaul full-time with scholarship?  To add to the weight of this decision, I have a wife and 2 kids to support... attending Kent part-time would add a year to my cost-of-law-school.  That equates to about $60,000 to $80,000 of additional expense.

- Comm-Law   

How's the P.S. coming?

- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: DePaul $$$
« on: February 28, 2005, 01:36:25 PM »
I didn't get a chance to see a syllabus, but I was informed that almost all of the classes (including the Property class) are graded based on a single final exam.  I asked about computer exams... most classes allow you to write your exam with a computer (using a special lock-down program that locks you out of your notes and other parts of your computer).  The property class that I visited allows you to take one doubled-sided sheet of notes/outline to the exam.

- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Not QUITE in at Valpo
« on: February 27, 2005, 08:18:09 PM »
Comm - Great note.  Thanks!

That definitely makes Valpo very appealing.  Have you ever visited IU-Indy?

Nope... I didn't check into IU-Indy.  I visited IU-Bloomington and I really liked it... moreso than Valpo.  But the IU-Indy location didn't have the communication law focus that I was seeking from IU-Bloomington.
- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Not QUITE in at Valpo
« on: February 26, 2005, 09:06:04 PM »
For what it's worth, I visited Valpo on Friday (the day before my pseudo-acceptance letter arrived.
I really liked the school.  Unfortunately, I've found visiting schools to be making the decision making process harder rather than easier.  I've like various features of each school I visited. Notes from my Valpo visit:

Valpo the town is a midwestern college town.  Housing is abundant and inexpensive.
Valpo has one of the smallest class sizes of any law school that I've toured.
The building is relatively new (built in 1986 I believe).
Parking is abundant... this is a big bonus when compared to CASE WESTERN or DePaul where parking promises to be difficult.

I found the following curriculum items unique:
The school REQUIRES 20hrs of PRO-BONO work.  
The school also REQUIRES all 1L's to give an ORAL argument in the Moot Courtroom.

Notes about the dean:
The dean of admissions was very informative.
He has been there for 2 1/2 years and he is really pushing forth an agenda.
He wants to encourage students to gain more work experience before entering law school.  He said the avg age of 1L's has recently gone from 22 to 25.
He dropped all of the affirmative action stuff.  He wants students because they are smart, not because they are a certain sex, race or religion.
He heavily advocates externships.  In fact, the university offers pro-bono scholarships to help students persue the non-paying externship opportunities that the school has lined-up.
According to the dean, the most notable feature of Valpo law is the joint-degree program.  I believe that he said that more students take joint (JD/masters) degrees from Valpo than any other accredited law school (I know that he specifically compared against Harvard and Yale).

So... Valpo left an impression with me... now I guess I just wait for a seat.

- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Not QUITE in at Valpo
« on: February 26, 2005, 07:29:20 PM »
I did e-mail Valpo admissions to let them know that I still want to attend Valpo.  I've got friends in the area, and really like the location.  It's just outside of Chicago.  If accepted, I'd consider Valpo to be at the top of my list.

I see that you are in at Toledo... would you take Valpo, a tier 4, over Toledo a tier 2??  I'm not saying that you are wrong... I'm just wondering about the reasoning.

- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Not QUITE in at Valpo
« on: February 26, 2005, 11:46:54 AM »
This is an interesting one... I just thought I'd check and see if anyone else got one of these....

'we intend to offer you admission as soon as a seat for you becomes available.  Your status is officially known as "admissions pending", a status above the traditional wait-list category.'

I've never heard of this status before???

- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: DePaul $$$
« on: February 23, 2005, 11:11:04 AM »
For the record - the L isn't that distracting!  I took exams four years in a row as an undergrad in Lewis and the DePaul Center.. you will no longer hear the L by the time exams roll around and the noise is so understated in any case that it is a non-issue.

I'm sure that I'd learn to tune-it-out.  I just noticed it because I was sitting close to the steel fire-escape doors and they seem to amplify the sound of the approaching train.  I was actually surprised that I'd hear the sound at all... we were on the 8th floor and the L is probably on the same elevation as the 2nd or 3rd floor.
- Comm-Law

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: DePaul $$$
« on: February 22, 2005, 03:02:13 PM »
I visited DePaul yesterday.  The assist Dean of Admissions met with a small group of admitted students to answer our questions.  He spent the better part of 30 minutes explaining how the school is working to improve its ranking, increase LSAT stats, reduce class size, and better position itself.  Apparently he just came back to DePaul after working in admissions at Kent for 6 years.

Overall the day was informative.  Professor Kwall from the IP department is fantastic.  She is exactly the kind of advocate you need to help you get a foot-in-the-door for that first job.

The facilities at DePaul are dated and spread across several floors of three different conjoining buildings.  I sat in on a class.  The professor was informative and personable.  But again, the facilities had a lot to be desires.  Every 10 minutes, we got to hear the rumble of a passing "L-train" going by outside the fire-escape.  I found the noise distracting and think that it would be unnerving to listen to that noise while trying to write an exam. 

I came away from the visit with the following information:  Kent definately beats DePaul in the area of facilities.  DePaul probably beats Kent in terms of Chicago alumni-network.  If you have an interest in IP, DePaul's IP program is the best in the midwest thanks to the efforts of Professor Kwall.

- Comm-Law

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Does Case hate me?
« on: February 18, 2005, 05:40:27 PM »
Does anyone know anything about Cleveland? I'm really leaning toward Case, but I would like to know more about the city I'll be living in for the next three years.

I went out to Cleveland last weekend to check things out.  Case was really nice.  The campus is large, stately, and full of "cultural activities".  NOTE: Cleveland struck me much differently!!

If you walk 2 blocks off of campus in any direction, you hit some run-down slummy inner-city areas!  On the otherhand, if you stick to the MLK drive and get on I-90, you can safely escape to suburbs that are much like any growing mid-American city.  So, in short, be careful where you go in Cleveland... there are some spotty areas really close to the school.

- Comm-Law

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