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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SLEEP NAKED?!
« on: May 05, 2005, 05:48:01 PM »
5000+ posts before taking the LSAT??? Thats insane.


I sleep in my boxers but opt out sometimes when it's humid/hot.  I hardly use covers anyway, so it's mainly if i had a roommate or if i'm back home with my 'rents, I can't *not* wear boxers.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 12:21:57 PM »
Although I agree anyone capable of scoring a 174 on the LSAT has a high natural aptitude for the test, I don't necessarily think that most people need 2-3 months to max out their scores. I reached a plateau fairly quickly as did a few others I know and from reading posts on here it does seem that although some people continue to make steady improvement for long periods of time, many others reach their max pretty quick. Its really impossible to say what percentage max out fast because we don't have a large enough sample and there are so many variables (studying methods, etc) but I know at least for myself that I don't think 2-3 more months of studying would have gotten more than possibly a point or two higher on the LSAT. That being said, I do agree I wish I had studied a little more because 1-2 points would probably have made the difference in some of the decisions I got that I wish were acceptances.







actually, considering the situation, it was pretty thoughtful. i decided 8/31 that i was going to apply to law school. i signed up for the lsat immediately, knowing that if i wasn't comfortable with my score walking out of the test, i could cancel and retake in december with more prep, but without the early application advantage. because i scored higher than i originally expected, i decided to wait an additional year in order to minimize the effect of my low gpa and gain more work/volunteer experience.

unfortunately, all this guy can do is study hard without getting burned out, and do his best. if i remember correctly, ambs22 had a high score and should be an asset to his friend. just make sure he's studying the right stuff when he studies - lrb/lgb - and is taking timed sections often with full length timed tests with the practice section included on a regular basis. i did 2-3 per week, on the weekends for the most part. he'll only be out the time and $$ if he isn't scoring well enough by the june date.

Hey, LisB. 

Again, I'm glad things worked out for you, and given that you didn't even decide to go to law school until a month before the test, your actions are certainly understandable.  I apologize if I sounded critical.

But I think it's important to realize how rare you are.  By definition, your score on the exam puts you around the 1 in 1000 category, and your aptitude for the test was probably even more rare.  The fact that you were able to reach this level in only a few weeks only underscores the fact that you have much stronger aptitude for the exam than most. 

For most people with other options, however, this approach probably wouldn't make much sense, because it will take most people at least 2-3 months to really max out in terms of their LSAT performance (and because it's difficult to predict how you actually did until you see your score).

(How long did it take you to get through the LRB?)

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 11:55:11 AM »
Ok, I think we can stop the bickering. I pretty much understand he should have been studying sooner and that its his own fault for waiting....I'm just trying to gather how screwed he is and if its worth putting in both of our time to get him as ready as he can be or if its a complete lost cause. I think I'm going to see how well he does on the next test and if hes making consistent improvement stick with it but if hes not improving I'll just tell him its not feasible to get the 155 or so he'll need.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 11:43:01 AM »
Well, I think the problem is that he can't put it off a year. If he doesn't take in June he can't apply for the extension and would get a branch assignment and would ahve to start his 4 year military committment which without a law degree he couldn't do JAG. The extension allows him to go to law school and continue his  education and then use it in the JAG for his military committment rather than just take a standard officer's position.

I'll check with him about if its is possible to take in Oct, but the way I understand it, its June or nothing.





If this is really what he wants to do, I really suggest he wait and put it off a year.

The biggest regret that's voiced is that people wish they'd put more time into studying for the lsat, or had studied differently.  He's not going to realistically be able to prepare for the june test in a month.  If he took the test cold and scored in teh mid 150 or 160s, I'd say sure, take some more tests and give it a go.

But starting from a 138 says that he has a lot of work to do, especially if he doesn't really have any strenghts.

Also, 1 month is NOT enough time to get him familiar with the timing of the lsat, IMO.  Lots of people would do MUCH better on the test if the time limits were taken away.  You need to practice enough so you can finish a decent amount of the sections, adn I don't see that happening in a month.

It's his life, so he can take the gamble if he wants to.  But just make sure he's 100% aware that a score lower than 150 is going to make it VERY VERY hard to get into the school he wants.  Say he scores a 145.  If he decides to take again, he'd need to score a a 165 to average out to a 155 (some schools will take the higher score if you score that much higher, but not all do).  So doing poorly on the first test would be a severe handicap.  If he knows and understands this, and decides to try, then that's his decision.

But if I were him, I'd rather regret missing law school for 1 year instead of regretting a low score that would follow me around for 5 years.  (or is it 4?  Either way, it's a significant period of time)

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 11:34:02 AM »
Yeah he was looking into weekend courses but I think he said the only one he could find/get into was a week before the test. If he could take one like this weekend it would be worht it but a week before the test probably won't be any good.


i took a full test on august 31 - totally cold - and scored 155.

october lsat: 174.

study methods: powerscore weekend course, about 10 practice tests, lots of timed sections.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 11:30:40 AM »
Well I wanted him to take a full test to see generally where he is at in terms of a score and if he had any glaring strengths or weaknesses. His test was pretty much a disaster overall thats I'm asking if its possible to go up 15-20 points in a month starting with a 138 cold.




He wants to take it in JUNE???


Big mistake.  HUGE mistake.  You can't even crack the LRB or LGB in that amount of time. He could maybe read through most of the LGB, but the LRB is LONG.  He needs MUCH longer than a month to benefit from the Powerscore books.  You not only have to read them adn work through them, but you have to be actively learning it every second, or else when it comes time to apply this stuff, you're going to forget 90% of it.

20 points is NOT going to be possible in 1 month.  He should be taking it in October at the earliest.  If he's already registered, he needs to pay the fee and reschedule.  Why didn't he start thinking about this 3 months ago?

This much I agree with. Pretty much everyone should start at least three months beforehand, and preferably even earlier.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 11:28:15 AM »
Well his situation is kind of unique in that he's trying to get an educational extension from the army (ROTC) to go to law school (they would pay) and then fulfill his service requirements in JAG. He has to apply for the extension (he's not reallt sure how hard it is to get the extension but he needs an LSAT score in the Summer so would have to take in June) but he needs to do well enough that he could get into a decent law school.

You're right, he should have been thinking about this months ago...I gave him all my prep materials in Sept and told him to start studying and I'd help him get ready for June...he wasn't sure what he was going to do and then out of nowhere he decided a few days ago he was going to take the LSAT in June and do whatever it takes to try to get the educaitonal extension. I don't think its possible for him to take in Oct and apply for the extension. I can't change the stupid situation he is in, all I can do is help him the best from now until the test.

You think it is impossible to go up 20 points for June starting at a 138? I studied for about the same amount of time last year and went up 15 points from my first preptest and was hitting close to a 20 point increse on preptest leading up to the test. Is 20 worth trying or should I more or less tell him to give up?







He wants to take it in JUNE???


Big mistake.  HUGE mistake.  You can't even crack the LRB or LGB in that amount of time. He could maybe read through most of the LGB, but the LRB is LONG.  He needs MUCH longer than a month to benefit from the Powerscore books.  You not only have to read them adn work through them, but you have to be actively learning it every second, or else when it comes time to apply this stuff, you're going to forget 90% of it.

20 points is NOT going to be possible in 1 month.  He should be taking it in October at the earliest.  If he's already registered, he needs to pay the fee and reschedule.  Why didn't he start thinking about this 3 months ago?

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 10:54:58 AM »
Yeah, I don't really expect him to break 160. His goal is 160 but he'll probably be OK with a 155. Hes looking at Seton Hall w/ a 3.15 I think and when I ran it in Chiashu a 155 maybe him about 50/50 and a 160 was more or less a lock. I'm aiming to get him to a 160 but it probably won't happen.

As for his test: (btw it was the Feb 1993 test from 10 Real...)

I was hoping he'd be weakest on LGs but he seems to be the worst at LR and overall he doesnt have any real strengths. My plan is this for now: I'm going to go over the test with him on Saturday and explain to him why his answers are right/wrong and what hes doing wrong. Then on Sunday, I'm going to have him take another practice test. After that I'm going to have him work through the LGB and LRB bible slowly and then maybe do a whole test untimed to see how he does. After that I feel like the best way to study is to take as many preptests and go over the test well and see what mistakes he is making, etc. He doesn't really have the time or $$ for a class and with materials and me helping I don't think it is really necessary for him.

I'm just curious if anyone has any experience with someone who scored around a 138 and then studied and made big improvements. I think if I can get him to bust his ass over the next month, a 20 point increase is possible.

Any other suggestions are welcome and thank you to all who have posted so far.





and it tells you very little about how well you will do after adequate prep.
 

Actually, it does tell you how you can do with adequate prep.  It's not unreasonable to aim for 150-160 from there, but I'd put money down that this kid's not gonna be hitting 170.  The starting point gives you something to work towards and lets you set realistic goals.

But if knowing your starting point is discouraging for you, then maybe there's some other self-esteem issues going one.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 09:13:03 AM »
What do you suggest?





Iím very confident your friend can score in that range with the right study plan. 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Starting with a 138
« on: April 29, 2005, 09:12:22 AM »
He knew what the test was like and looked at some questions but in general it was a cold test.



Did he have any previous knowledge of the test contents?

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