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how high within tier 1?

General Board / Re: I don't understand the appeal of "big law"
« on: January 17, 2006, 10:56:42 PM »
about how many hours/week do biglaw attorneys have to attend social events?

General Board / Re: I don't understand the appeal of "big law"
« on: January 17, 2006, 08:57:53 PM »
according to a post from xoxohth (which references a website to which i have no access), the average weekly hours at biglaw are more like 60. i take no responsibility for the correctness of the source, but it is in line with what people seem to say around that site, and they're all obsessed with biglaw.

so, 60 hours/week for $125K to start, with probably a $15K bonus a year (am i wrong about this bonus??). so it's 60 hours/week for $140K. that seems pretty decent to me. i can't think of many other fields in which you can get a job for that much, even if you worked that many hours.

even if you were only to work 40 hours, in biglaw pay, it would stil be about $95K.

even if you figured the extra 20 hours as over-time (time and a half), it's still about $80K.

at the least, it's twice as much as my friends coming out of undergrad are making, and even for many with MAs.

Some random firms...
WLRK: 71.1
Cravath: 69.8
S&C: 62.5
Davis: 58.9
Skadden: 58.8
Cadwalader: 62.3
Debevoise: 57.6
Weil: 58.6
Kirkland: 59.9
Paul Weis: 64.2
White & Case: 58.0
Cahill: 61.9
CGSH: 59.8"

Transferring / Re: GW and GULC
« on: January 17, 2006, 06:55:42 PM »
yes, i mean gulc part time.

i know it doesn't feel right. it didn't feel right for me at GW either. then i got here and  half of the 120 evening students ended up transferring after first semester (we can transfer second semester). now i have a community of peers and friends with whom i have all my classes and will graduate in three years. and the supposed stigma appears to be more LSD rumor than actual fact, though i admit it must exist at least somewhat (just not to the degree people here might have you believe).

i can tell you that most people i know in my PT class that transferred would have rather done the same at gulc than start FT at GW. don't skip out on T14 opportunities simply because it doesn't feel right. it will once you get there. trust me on that.

General Board / Re: I'm a 1L who just signed up for mock trial ..
« on: January 17, 2006, 02:13:24 PM »
If you are at GW...I'm feeling your pain.

I thought it was in months...not weeks.

I only got suckered in because a friend asked me to do it with him.

I am at GW. So it was at noon?

That seems to be the case with everyone, thinking the date was later on. Any chance they'll extend it for some of us? I know I'll only end up making a fool of myself and take time away from when I should be studying, but I still want to do it.

General Board / Re: I'm a 1L who just signed up for mock trial ..
« on: January 17, 2006, 01:21:58 PM »
... was this an enormous mistake? have i dug my own grave?

*i* have to conduct a cross examination? uhhhh rightttt

hey man, you're at GW right?

if so, did i miss the deadline? i just got a message from my friend earlier this morning that's it's today at 12, but can't tell if that meant noon or midnight, and can't get a hold of him about it.

if not, sorry!

Transferring / Re: Too good to be true?
« on: January 17, 2006, 12:33:49 PM »
transfer student stats don't affect law school rankings, so they can be pretty flexible. often schools are more concerned with finding a right "fit" for the school than they are with taking the very highest numbers they ge, though of course prestige/grade issues will always be present in any LS admissions.

being 1/3 is probably no real guarantee that you'll get in, but just a way for them to have a broader group to look at. though if they don't usually get a ton of transfer applications, then it could be a very good sign. if you're top quarter, you'll probably do just fine.

General Board / Re: Top 5% at DePaul...
« on: January 17, 2006, 12:26:40 PM »
Good points all around. 

Does anyone know of any good sites that address transfers that might be worth a look?  Specifically, are there any resources out there that help you calculate the likelihood of being able to transfer into a given institution?

Thanks again.

you need a yahoo account to access it. once you do, check the 2005 database. you can see where others from schools within your tier transferred last year, and what kind of grades they had.

if you can get in to a top 14, especially uchicago, i would say go there. any top 14 is going to put you in a better position for career flexibility than depaul, where you always runk the risk of dropping out of the top, though i admit it's unlikely. also, considering you finished so high, it's very likely that you "get" law school and law school exams, so doing well at a higher ranked school probably won't be that difficult for you.

others have suggested notre dame, but i would strongly caution against transferring to anything outside of the T14. imo, you'd be taking a risk, because only about 1/3 has a chance at biglaw (or whatever choice career your might prefer) at schools like that, whereas it's probably 3/4 at even the lowest T14. i think with the way you did, you can count on staying in the top 3/4 at your new school, but counting on being in the top 1/3 is a tad riskier. in that case it might be better just to stay at depaul, in the very top, on law review, etc.

i don't know if anyone else said this, but apply gulc and columbia early action ASAP. you at least want to have some choices before next semester.

General Board / in choosing courses...
« on: January 17, 2006, 01:33:40 AM »
is it a bad idea to pick classes/subjects in which you have an academic interest as opposed to those that might help you get a job?

unlike MANY other people at my school, i have no interest in "international law" as some vague career opportunity, but i do have a genuine interest in comparative law, especially that of the european union. would it be a mistake to take a larger load in such comparative law courses as opposed to, say, "corporate lawyering"?

if it helps, i plan to both practice (probably corporate) and eventually return to the more academic side of things to study comparative law (LLM/Phd).

Transferring / Re: GW and GULC
« on: January 17, 2006, 01:03:10 AM »
thanks nate.

so top 1/3 would be pretty tough at GW as a 1L?

no problem.

in regards to the top 1/3, i'm not trying to say you won't be able to do it. maybe you'll be one of those people who just "gets" law school and everything about it. but do you really want to play those odds?

the problem is, almost everyone comes in to law school (let alone a top 20 school) thinking that they're going to be at the top of the class. trust me...i was there too. but if everyone's thinking this, and everyone has about the same qualifications (and roughly the same study habits) as you coming in, what are the chances that you will finish that high? you might very well be in that 1/3, but there's a much better chance that you won't be.

most of 1L, from what i've learned, is all about getting in to the groove and finding out how you best learn the law, and especially how to "think like a lawyer". maybe it's gift, or talent, or just pure luck- i don't really know- but some people just happen to do this better, and there's no way you can know if you'll be one of them. so no matter how you're used to studying, or how well you've done in the past, i would highly suggest against counting on finishing at the top.

that being said, why not go to the school that offers you the most options despite how you do?

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