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i think there's a good chance they would. if you think it would help (which i think it might) you could always stretch the truth and say that you have a possibility for a job this fall, and that you would like to be considered as waitlist for the PT program. if they allowed that, you would probably get in without a problem. and it wouldn't hurt to try- worst case scenario you stay where you are on the FT waitlist.

i entered GW PT and transferred to FT this semester. out of the 120 people who started PT, about half switched to FT after the first semester. a lot of people decide they can't take working and going to school for 4 years, and others enter with no job at all, intending to switch from the beginning.

as far as it being "good", i can't entirely say. as far as i can honestly tell (from talking to upper-level students, guidance counsellers, professors, etc.), it doesn't have as much as a negative effect as most people would think. people who started PT and switched to FT still get plenty of jobs at OCI, clerkships, good summer internships, etc. i was in a position similar to yours- my choice was between GW PT and a school ranked somewhere around where OU is. at first i was hesitant to go PT, but now i'm happy i did. even though some people on these law school message boards might give you crap for using the "backdoor" in to a T20 school, that's about as bad as it gets. you'll still have your own section (with other people who switch to FT) with whom you'll graduate in 3 years, just like those who start FT do with their sections; the only difference is that you'll be 2 classes behind after first semester and will have to take some credits over the summer (which is very easy and can be done in a variety of ways). and of course, when taking in to account the opportunities GW will offer you that a place like OU might not, i honestly think that alone is worth it.

but if you were waitlisted at GW, i'm assuming your numbers are fairly competetive. have you considered applying to GULC PT? i think they're still taking applications online until March 1, so you'd have to rush. still, their PT admit stats aren't much different from GW's, and while you can't switch until second year, it's also very easy to do and you'd be in an even better position than you would at GW.

let me know if you have any other questions.

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call them and ask if you can enter PT. they will probably let you.

unless you got in to another top 30 school, then go there instead.

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General Board / Re: salary and advancement
« on: February 16, 2006, 01:29:00 AM »
biglaw (125K) has yearly raises and bonuses, so you escalate very quickly. i believe it's the same for midlaw (starting at 80-110K or so), though of course not on the same level. the government also has yearly raises. i have no idea for public interest.

the one area i assume is different is in starting your own practice or joining a very small one, which seems to be more typical among students from lower-ranked and more local schools. i know someone who joined a small, local firm  and his salary bas basically been stuck where he started (around 55K) and will be until the firm grows and picks up business, which could never happen for all he knows. but then again, his father was in the same position that he is and ended up making than many do in their gigs at biglaw- and of course he likes his work a lot more.

but overall, the salary bump seems pretty normal- if not guaranteed- in most pratice areas even after the first year. if you're working for someone that isn't giving you raises regularly, and you don't stand to find yourself better off if something good happens (when the firm grows, for example), that's probably a good sign that you should find another job.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Law and Philosophy
« on: February 07, 2006, 12:35:16 AM »
i imagine it would be hard going from a merit-based grading system to a strict law school curve. though you are right, the upper level classes are much different than 1L classes.

did you find a good supplement/outline? from my limited experience in law school (1L), i'm not convinced outlines and supplements help that much. most people that i know who did very well took what they knew, after learning as much as they could on their own, and focused on mastering that for exams. they did a lot better than people who knew a wide variety of more limited information. if i was you i might just focus on learning it as best you can, talking to the professor about it as much as possible, even reading outside materials that further details your knowledge on the matter. being a grad student, you're probably already good at that.

so really, i'm not convinved those over-generalized supplements help an incredible amount, unless you need specific help with certain areas that you don't understand.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Law and Philosophy
« on: February 01, 2006, 11:23:17 PM »
do they grade grad students on the same curve as the law students in the class?

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Transferring / Re: transfer
« on: January 24, 2006, 12:30:27 AM »
are you at cooley full time?

EDIT: also, when did you start? this (spring) semester, or last semester?

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Transferring / Re: Extra-curriculars
« on: January 22, 2006, 10:08:54 PM »
i would highly suggest posting your question on the transferapps site's board. you're bound to get some decent answers from people who know a lot about the transfer process, and probably even from those who have transferred.

the address is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transferapps/ in case you don't have it. you have to be a registered yahoo member to access it.

in my own opinion, i wouldn't count on extracurriculars helping you to a great extent. your ranking is what will ultimately determine if you can make the jump from T4 to T14. but i can imagine that if you can still pull off top grades while participating in all of those activities, it will help at least somewhat. i bet law schools would prefer a transfer student with great grades who will also contribute to the school's community.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Grades????
« on: January 21, 2006, 06:28:36 PM »
i've heard that (at least at my school) there is quite a bit of flopping around.

now i'm sure it's not to the level of those who got straight As first semester are getting straight Cs next semester, or vice versa- when you're in one of those positions you're probably doing something exactly right or something wrong. but it seems like almost everyone has a lower grade at some point in their first year, and i've been told by quite a few people that their grades went up by almost an entire letter (ex B- --> A-).

EDIT: i wanted to add that i just found out last night that a friend of mine went from getting Ds and low Cs her first year, to almost straight As her second. granted, this is much different from making a similar improvement during your second semester (when grades are arguably much more important), but it shows it can be done.

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General Board / study abroad with internship?
« on: January 21, 2006, 05:15:17 PM »
does anyone know of study abroad programs that also have an internship component?

i was recently told by a career counselor that study abroad by itself is not necessarily the best 1L summer option unless you do also do an internship, in which case it's great.

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General Board / Re: Anon LS Dean here taking questions...
« on: January 21, 2006, 02:36:15 PM »
While we are on the topic, am I the only one who does not view the Socratic method as anegative experience? Why would it be negative to be expected to present the material you are supposed to be reading? My professors probe you yes, asking you more specific questions, forcing you to really think critically about the issues and the law, but it is not in a negative manner. It simply forces you to do the reading and more importantly, analyze and actually learn the law.

i don't know that it's "negative". i mean, if you get called on, deal with it or leave law school. what i do know, however, is that some people in and around legal academia have questioned its usefulness, but that legal academia has remained fairly hostile to any changes, even in classes taught by those who think there are better methods.

to me it's not about "liking" the socratic method or not. but if it is true that academics continue the cycle of socratic method simply because that's how they succeeded and want others to succeed- instead of it actually being good for the students- to me that's a problem.

but again, if the socratic method is really best, then so be it. i wouldn't support an overthrow of the law school establishment just for the sake of doing so, as some on this board seem to have suggested.

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