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Where should I go next fall? / LS admissions calculators
« on: October 22, 2005, 12:52:22 PM »
can someone help me? i'm looking for a law school admissions calculator that someone posted on here a while ago. it was not chiashu or the lsac calculator (and not LSN). it sort of reminded me of lsac's, i seem to remember it giving an admissions chance percentage, and it had gave percentages for both FT and PT programs for schools with both. anyone have any ideas of what it might be?

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: gulc vs gw
« on: October 22, 2005, 03:38:56 AM »
Responding to the transfer question:
I've been told by older GW student's who have tried that you have a shot at a GULC transfer if you are Top 15% and a very good shot if you are top 10%. Thats what they tell me anyway. That being said, someone at GW w/ those numbers will likely have little trouble landing a great job in DC/NY, so transferring to GULC can make sense, and it also cannot, depending on your aspirations.

The school really is not that competitive at all; I thought it would be ruthless for the same reasons, but its not that bad, at least not worse than your typical law school. I hear GULC is fine in that regard as well.

Yes, GW (and GULC) and DC generally, hurt your wallet. Frugal living is a must on a student budget.

this is just hearsay, but fellow students at GW have told me that being anywhere in the top 25-30% can get you a spot at GULC, because the two are so closely ranked and because GULC accepts so many transfers. top 10-15% would probably give someone at a tier 2 or tier 3 a very good chance, let alone someone within the top 20.

if i'm in the top third (i'm sorry...when i finish in the top third), i'll probably go ahead and give transferring a try. the only way i see staying at GW as a better option is if your ranking is excellent, you make LR, or you're getting a generous scholarship from the school. otherwise, why not craack the t14 if you have a chance?

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chiashu gives you a 53% chance at H, 25% chance at S, and 19% chance at Y. apply to those anyway...someone on this site got in to yale last year with something like a 3.9/171. you just never know.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: bare minimum at Georgetown
« on: October 11, 2005, 03:22:12 PM »
He is biased and that PT thing does look bad to most employers.  Although that Georgetown thing looks pretty damn good.  For me, if I get into Georgetown PT and George Washington FT, I'm most likely going to George Washington over Georgetown.  I would just rather be a regular student and GWU is very comparable to Georgetown and from what I hear in a much better part of town.

what is the evidence of this? not saying I don't believe it, but that's how i always thought it would be and yet i have heard the opposite from attorneys who have worked in hiring, as well as students who have transferred from PT to FT. the former say firms rarely care and are more focused on your academic record (as well as being concerned with what name your diploma has on it), while the latter have told me they've never experienced any set-backs as a result of switching divisions. maybe they don't realize the setbacks, but apparently they're never even asked about having switched.

i love being at GW and think it's a great school. but GULC is a T14; it's a completely different world of employment opportunities. i think this also goes for PT GULC vs. FT GW. it's just one year of PT, and even then the GULC diploma is worth more. also, if i had an opportunity to go to GULC, i certainly wouldn't pass it by because it's in a semi-boring area. foggy bottom really isn't that cool.

speaking of which, crossfire is no longer filmed here (and no longer on the air??)

also, someone mentioned a great indian restaurant around foggy bottom...can you give me the name? i've found good- but not great- indian since i moved here.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: gulc vs gw
« on: October 11, 2005, 12:50:10 PM »
From what I hear, GULC is just an incredible experience that is hard to beat. I've heard nothing even remotely similar about GW.

Besides, you wouldn't have to drive from VA, you take the metro  ;)

hmm. i've never once heard that about GULC. of course, i'm biased because i go to GW, but i've even seen GULC students on here talk about how they have heard GW is a much better experience. now, i'm not going to lie, if i had gotten in to GULC, i would have gone there in a second. it's true that GW is fairly high ranked, but T14 is an entirely different ball game. if i had to pick only one to apply to, i'd pick GULC. but why not apply to both? both are great schools after all, and both are well worth going to.

See, you don't have the Colonial spirit.  You'd trade on them to be a Hoya  ;)

I agree, they should apply to both, but if they're just choosing one they should probably base it on their numbers.  Applying to G'Town with a 3.5 and 165 and ignoring GW might not be a great idea. 

excellent point. what about GULC part time? i've seen some on this site suggest that even the PT division at GULC is better than going FT at GW. i have a rather difficult time believing it, but then again, i have also seen little evidence that transferring from PT to FT has a negative effect on employment. i think a much greater percentage of the class at GULC has a top pick of jobs, whereas only about the top third of GW does, so going there any way possible might be better.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: gulc vs gw
« on: October 11, 2005, 02:03:02 AM »
From what I hear, GULC is just an incredible experience that is hard to beat. I've heard nothing even remotely similar about GW.

Besides, you wouldn't have to drive from VA, you take the metro  ;)

hmm. i've never once heard that about GULC. of course, i'm biased because i go to GW, but i've even seen GULC students on here talk about how they have heard GW is a much better experience. now, i'm not going to lie, if i had gotten in to GULC, i would have gone there in a second. it's true that GW is fairly high ranked, but T14 is an entirely different ball game. if i had to pick only one to apply to, i'd pick GULC. but why not apply to both? both are great schools after all, and both are well worth going to.

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Law School Applications / Re: gw
« on: October 10, 2005, 02:12:32 AM »
i forgot to mention that if you're cool with going PT for a whole year, i would definitely check out georgetown PT. a 162 might be a little low, but with your gpa i would certainly give it a shot.

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Law School Applications / Re: gw
« on: October 10, 2005, 02:03:22 AM »
chiashu gives you a 42% chance of getting in to GW FT, though there are many flaws with its calculations. if you look at GW's admissions stats grid (http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD+Admissions/profile.htm), there seems to be a big cut-off below a 165 lsat score, even with a high gpa like yours. why not apply to some other schools ranked near GW and then use GW PT as a safety?

i'm a 1L in the PT division, and i'll be transferring to the FT division next semester. i was hesitant to do this at first, but am now really glad that i decided to. i didn't get in to any tier 1's so i figured it was my best bet. there are a lot of other students who enter PT with the intention of switching (probably 40% of the class), and it's very easy to do. they have never said no to anyone. some believe that employers will not like that you entered PT, but i don't know how much evidence there really is to back this up. i haven't heard any fellow students say their employment prospects were weaker having gone this route.

the only thing that sucks is having your classes at night. and if you go the PT route, you will be forced to take at least one or two night classes through 2L fall semester.

and definitely send a resume. i know that's what got me in with my lsat score.

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Interesting topic. 

So you are saying that employers don't frown on this practice? Especially for 1L summer employment? Do they still offer jobs to part time students for summer employment without all 1st year courses?

I actually heard that part-time students have to wait until their 2nd summer in order to get a real summer job. So who is right?

I was under the impression that it was near impossible to get an actual, paid summer associateship until the summer after 2L. At least that's how I always understood it, and that was pretty much confirmed for me by the students and staff I met on my recent tour of GW. They basically said the only exceptions to this rule are YHS students and those whose parents are partners in a firm. My point being, those who transfer to FT from PT after 1L are taking classes when other students are doing unpaid internships.

I'm attending GW PT this fall and am transferring to FT after the first semester. I plan to do exactly what a current 1L that I talked with did- study abroad the first summer to make up the credits, then take the actual class I missed during my first semester of 2L. That way, I can do what other students studying abroad do- study for part of the summer and do an unpaid internship during the remainder.

I should be caught up with everyone else by 2L summer, right? Maybe I'm making a huge mistake?? But then again, it was either GW or Loyola Chicago for me, so one semester of PT at GW seemed like the logical choice. I really hope that there aren't too many negative consequences for those of us who transfer to FT.

I was actually seriously contemplating doing the study abroad thing as well. How do you plan to pick up the credits?  Would you be taking law courses by an accredited law school? Or will you be taking language courses?

I plan on doing GW's human rights summer in Oxford, or the intellectual property summer in Munich. Even if GW didn't have their own study abroad programs, I would still do an accredited law school program, and there are a ton of cool ones out there. Study abroad just seems like a much better way to earn five credits than sticking around campus all summer while everyone else if off doing their own thing.

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Interesting topic. 

So you are saying that employers don't frown on this practice? Especially for 1L summer employment? Do they still offer jobs to part time students for summer employment without all 1st year courses?

I actually heard that part-time students have to wait until their 2nd summer in order to get a real summer job. So who is right?

I was under the impression that it was near impossible to get an actual, paid summer associateship until the summer after 2L. At least that's how I always understood it, and that was pretty much confirmed for me by the students and staff I met on my recent tour of GW. They basically said the only exceptions to this rule are YHS students and those whose parents are partners in a firm. My point being, those who transfer to FT from PT after 1L are taking classes when other students are doing unpaid internships.

I'm attending GW PT this fall and am transferring to FT after the first semester. I plan to do exactly what a current 1L that I talked with did- study abroad the first summer to make up the credits, then take the actual class I missed during my first semester of 2L. That way, I can do what other students studying abroad do- study for part of the summer and do an unpaid internship during the remainder.

I should be caught up with everyone else by 2L summer, right? Maybe I'm making a huge mistake?? But then again, it was either GW or Loyola Chicago for me, so one semester of PT at GW seemed like the logical choice. I really hope that there aren't too many negative consequences for those of us who transfer to FT.

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