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Transferring / Re: Transferring from Cooley
« on: October 05, 2005, 01:30:22 PM »
Has anyone successfully transferred from Cooley? If so, was it very difficult? I have heard rumors that it is impossible to transfer from there.,2824.0.html

Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Example Transfer Personal Statements
« on: October 04, 2005, 10:59:03 PM »

Where are some good places to look for housing?   I'd really appreciate some recommendations.   Also, any other tips for an incoming 1L ?

i lived in the area until i moved for law school a few months ago. seriously, do not live in some obscure area in lansing...i hear it's miserable. there are plenty of apartment complexes in east lansing that cater to serious students (graduate), and that includes cooley law students. check those out. it's only a bus-ride away, really, and a lot of cooley students seem to like that.

Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Example Transfer Personal Statements
« on: October 04, 2005, 01:40:30 PM »
the fact that he transferred probably says quite a bit.


is it true that cooley makes it near impossible for their students to transfer?

Transferring / Re: After the transfer...
« on: September 25, 2005, 07:42:17 PM »
But that shouldn't discourage you too much.  Social life is important, but you go to law school mainly for your career.  Or at least that's how I see it.  By the way, I transferred to a Top 5.

can i ask where you transferred from, or at the least, what tier? i'm considering transferring, and just want to weigh my options. thanks!

Transferring / Re: original school won't let you transfer????
« on: September 23, 2005, 10:53:48 PM »
that has to be BS. it can't possibly be true. can it?

Current Law Students / Re: Question Re: Reading Casebooks
« on: September 03, 2005, 01:30:18 PM »
I have actually been typing brief answers to the hypos in my notes.  Then I have tried to talk to fellow students about what they thought about a particular hypo, and it seems no one else is reading them.  I think it is more important to learn the BLL and apply that to hypos than know every detail of  a fact pattern of a particular case...  Of course I am 3 weeks into my 1L year, so what do I know?


i've actually been wondering how detailed notes i should be taking on the hypos/notes section after each case. are answers to the hypotheticals all that you put in your notes? i actually tried summarizing the notes section as well as answering the hypotheticals- hoping that this would allow me to avoid going back to the book the particular case again- but it just took way too long, and started feeling almost counterproductive.

or, if anyone else has any good advice on how to best utilize the notes sections in terms of taking notes, answering the questions, etc, it would also be a great help. i don't want to take too many notes, but i don't want to ignore it either. i've already found a method i like for reading and briefing cases, but the supplemental material is really beginning to overwhelm me.

Current Law Students / Re: legal academia...too difficult?
« on: September 02, 2005, 01:07:19 PM »
There's always the option of teaching pre-law in undergrad schools.  The job title prestige may not be there, but if you want to teach, it'll be there.

how easy is this to do? i don't think the polisci department at my undergrad had any JD's teaching, and we had 2 separate polisci departments. i know there's always a pre-law advisor at schools, but do most universities really want a JD teaching undergrad classes on legal topics?

Current Law Students / Re: legal academia...too difficult?
« on: August 28, 2005, 06:25:18 PM »
thank you both. your answers are very helpful and inspiring. i'm a 1L at GW, so while i have always realized that academia is possible, i didn't know if it was only possible for the best students, law review members, etc.

the concept of "feeder" schools really bothers me, so it's nice to hear that hard work and a strong resume can get someone to the same place. while i realize that the top five are great schools, and would attend any of them in a split second, the idea that their grads automatically make the best law professors puzzles me. it almost seems to mean that a law professorship is dictated by one's ug gpa and lsat score, which of course have nothing to do with legal research or teaching ability.

Current Law Students / legal academia...too difficult?
« on: August 28, 2005, 04:36:03 PM »
it's a little early to be thinking about it at this point in my legal career, having just started my first year, but i was wondering if anyone had any opinions on exactly how difficult it is to break in to this field. i ask because i've always had an interest in academia in general, and i've seen that many professors around the country have "joint appointments" between one school within an university (ex. history, political science, business, education, etc.) and then act as adjunct faculty, or even resident faculty, at the university's law school.

but i've heard many people suggest that legal academia is basically reserved for those from YHS-CNC, and perhaps a few others. i've even heard that one might as well forget hoping for this type of job if they attend a school at the bottom of the top 14. so, should someone like me, attending a top 20 school, completely forget about it? do i basically have to rank first in my class if i ever hope to find a job as law professor?

i do plan on doing future graduate studies, and am quite familiar with the fact that there are many "alternative" ways in to the field nowadays, whereas it used to be reserved only for the best students from the best schools. but when looking at the faculty lists of those at even third tier schools, it seems that the best portion are from the top 10 or so schools. though, on the other hand, i also see that people from third or fourth tier schools do have these jobs as well.

so does anyone have any idea as to how difficult it is to get a job at a tier 3 or 4 law school?

Current Law Students / tell me about law school cliques...
« on: August 27, 2005, 11:35:50 PM »
alright, it's hard for me to envision them, but they existed in my undergrad university. this was especially true within the small public affairs school that i belonged to, which was a small part of the larger university and was therefore, in many ways, like a law school... so it's almost hard for me to see my current law school not being the same. though i know law students tend to be more mature, and have more real life experience, etc., do cliques form in the average law school, or does it entirely depend on the school that one attends? if so, do they form among those who are on law review, leaders of students organizations, the best students, etc., or just among people who happen to know and like one another? i truly hope that it's the latter, but if it is the former, i might have to take action quickly. i really hate cliques, and i did all through undergrad, but i also know the importance of getting to the point where you are cool with the people who are in them. i'm wondering what some current 2L's or 3L's might think about this. thanks!

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