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Current Law Students / Re: The best blawg
« on: April 20, 2006, 12:29:37 AM »
though i don't doubt your firm conviction, i beg to differ. ...

is without a doubt the finest blog ever composed by a current law student.

Current Law Students / Re: how long take your guys to prepare LSAT
« on: April 20, 2006, 12:23:04 AM »
i honestly believe that not aiming for the highest score that i could get was one of the biggest mistakes that i have ever made and (because the academic world is so important to me) probably one of the biggest i will ever make.

instead of picking "target" scores based on certain schools, i should have just aimed for a 180 and done my very best to get there. i do love my current school where i am now a 1L, yet i often have to wonder what would have happened had i tried to do the best that i possibly could have, as opposed to just doing what i thought i needed to do.

Current Law Students / Re: moot court/ law review
« on: April 17, 2006, 12:39:17 PM »
i think you could rank the importance of three law school factors in this order:
1. high class rank
2. law review
3. moot court

so you don't HAVE to do either of those things to do well.

good grades are by far the most important thing in law school. however, if you're outside the top 15% or so of the class, being on law review is in some ways the equivalent of ranking that high. of course because most law reviews emphasize grades so much, law review members tend to be those that are in the top 15%. but your actual writing ability will usually play at least some role in the selection process, and most schools select at least a few candidates solely on their writing ability. those who are fortunate enough to make it based solely on their writing benefit greatly because, wherever they happen to fall in the rankings, being on LR gives them opportunities often open only to the top of the class.

moot court, at least at my school, has nothing to do with grades. there is usually a first year competition where almost every 1L competes, where students are weeded out in multiple rounds until they have a small group to add to the moot court board. it is good for your resume and does lead to some good job opportunities, but other than that is quite inferior to a high ranking or law review membership.

if it's study time you're most worried about, i probably wouldn't be. if you get on law review, i can't think of a reason that you shouldn't do it. it wouldn't require time until the second year, when grades aren't so important (especially if you're attending a higher ranked school). with moot court, at my school, the competition lasts only three days, for an hour or two each day (assuming you make it to the second round). after that, if you make the board, you are only required to compete in one more moot court competition in your second or third year in order to satisfy membership requirements. quite a few people simply sit on the board for resume purposes and don't get involved.

Current Law Students / Re: PharmD/JD
« on: April 17, 2006, 01:25:41 AM »
i think pharmacy school is actually 4 years, though i could be wrong.

to the OP- sdlaw is absolutely right. you've got a good degree that will in all likelihood get you a good job which will probably make you much happier than being a lawyer would. unless you have a compelling reason to have both a PharmD and a JD, you're better off sticking with the PharmD. the time, energy and resources it would take for a career switch (of which you are also questioning right now) probably wouldn't be worth it.

Job Search / Re: Biglaw jobs
« on: April 16, 2006, 10:13:50 PM »
EDIT: the post that this was a response to was deleted, so it probably makes no sense now on this thread. i'm leaving it up for the rare chance that it might help someone on this board.

that's not true. he was talking about being ranked in the top 40% at schools in the t20 (USC and UCLA), t14 (cornell) and t10 (michigan).

it is still very possible to get a biglaw job at a t20 school if you finish in the top 50% of your class (though top third would be more of a guarantee). it's probably a little easier than that at cornell, and much easier at michigan. you only need to be top 10-15% and on LR for biglaw if you're at a school in low tier 1 or below.

and as far as YHS, i would venture to guess that at least 80% (maybe 90%) of the class could land biglaw jobs. in fact yale doesn't even have grades so it's probably more like 100%.

Current Law Students / Re: University of Illinois or IU- Indy students
« on: April 09, 2006, 02:39:50 PM »
u of i- good school

Current Law Students / Re: Pepperdine went down 10 spots...
« on: March 30, 2006, 11:28:56 PM »
i think you're right on, for the most part. there are firms focused on t3, t6, t10, and also t14. this is also the case for firms that regularly draw from tier 2, who certainly divide that tier in to different groups.

however, i don't believe it's true that, within tier 1, schools ranked 15-50 are all treated the same. for example, there's a big difference in firms recruiting from something like texas (15) and american (high 40s). again, as much as ratings sucks, i think tier 1 is a lot like tier 2, in that it's more broken down- firms look first at t14 (and further break this down, as discussed), then at t20/25, then somewhere around t35, and then the rest of tier 1 (the t35 thing is a rough estimate, but it tends to represent the schools within tier 1 that stay within tier 1, while the rest of tier 1 can be pretty mobile, often slipping out of the tier altogether).

of course, as you've mentioned, it depends on the firm. some won't touch students outside of YHS. others won't go outside the t14. however, i think many firms still draw a big difference between, say, texas or UCLA and wisconsin, and also between wisconsin and somewhere like alabama.

Current Law Students / Re: Pepperdine went down 10 spots...
« on: March 30, 2006, 10:31:10 PM »
Honestly most firms don't care about the specific number, just the tier with the exception of top 14.

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this is a real nit-picky thing, but do you really think that all tier 1 schools outside of the t14 are seen as exactly the same? while drawing strict lines might be stupid, i think there are big differences between the t14, t20, t30, the rest of tier 1, etc. in fact, i think there's a big difference between schools that are at the top of tier 2 (which can even jump in to tier 1), those in the middle of tier 2, and those that barely make it.

ratings suck. there's no doubt about it. however, employers watch these things steadily (like law school admissions, they too are concerned with prestige), and know what school is where.

Current Law Students / Re: Government Law Jobs
« on: March 28, 2006, 06:54:52 PM »

is the state dept. extremely prestigious and competitive in who it selects? i was thinking of trying for a PT externship there next year, but if i'm not at a t10 school and not in the very top of my class at a t20, should i not bother applying? any ideas?

Current Law Students / Re: UGA vs Georgetown
« on: March 22, 2006, 11:10:59 PM »
i can't think of one good reason to choose UGA over GULC. the ONLY reason i can imagine a person doing this is if they had their heart set on becoming a more local lawyer somewhere in georgia. even then, you'd be well above-average with a degree from GULC.

if you want to make $, GULC hands down. if you want to work government or public interest, GULC hands down- you'd get far better jobs and the school has decent loan repayment assistance opportunities. if you want to enter academia or any other more research-based field, GULC hands down.

as others have said, the money might be tempting now, but later in your life, will you really be OK with passing up GULC for UGA?

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