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General Board / Bar/Bri MPQ-2 Full Day MBE
« on: July 23, 2008, 07:53:00 PM »
Has anyone else done this yet? I took it today and somehow dropped 3 points from my Bar/Bri practice MBE a few weeks ago. 126 to 123. What the @#!*? I've been putting foot to ass with studying and I get dumber?

Whatever shred of confidence I had about covering my essay bases with a higher MBE is now totally gone.

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General Board / Re: This Season's Ave Maria School of Law Gear is in!
« on: July 21, 2008, 09:18:09 PM »
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General Board / Re: Another reason why Bar/Bri is the devil
« on: July 21, 2008, 05:42:16 PM »
commercial paper is gay.

That is all . . .

Well, that's negotiable...

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General Board / Re: If I fail the bar....
« on: July 20, 2008, 06:39:04 PM »
Don't something like 90% of people pass this sucker in most states?  Why are you people so worried?

In VA about 70% pass.  78% of first time takers pass.  I keep telling myself that someone from a decent law school with a decent class rank who busts their ass studying probably has a 90 or 95% chance.  But it is still nerve racking just because of the sheer volume of material, you never feel like you know enough.  It would take me 5 days just to read through me outlines. 

It is very nerve racking.  I am used to being able to remember just about everything I needed for exams.  But the sheer volume of information is overwhelming.  I keep telling myself that I went to a good school and did well.  I studied hard.  But i have been spending the past week trying to finish cramming this stuff into my head, and it just isn't happening.  Each time I look at my outlines it is as if I am seeing some of it for the first time.  Very unnerving.  But, this too shall pass.

I'm in the same boat. Of all the things to shatter my confidence, it has been Illinois Civil Procedure. For some reason doing the essays for this subject have really set in how much f-ing information I have to compartmentalize.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Bar Exam Study Thread
« on: July 20, 2008, 04:56:23 PM »
Has anyone finished the half-day exam in the MPQ2 book? If so, what are your thoughts on the difficulty level and whether or not this will be a good indication of what the actual MBE is going to look like? The percentage of questions I got correct on the half-day practice exam (77%) were far higher than any of my results on the previous simulated MBE (116/200) or problem sets (average between 8-11 correct per set).

To quantify...I felt like 50% of the questions were "gimmies", or otherwise very straightforward applications of the law. I felt like 30-35% of the questions were intermediate questions where two answers looked pretty good and the remaining questions were of the types we saw in problem sets 5&6. Judging by what the MBE workshop lecturer said about adding roughly 30 points to your score, I'm truly hoping that this is what the actual MBE is going to look like.

Credited.
I wasn't quite at 77% but I did considerably better than my 126 on the full practice MBE.

I also just got around doing the MPQ1 mixed sets and I thought those were pretty similar in composition.

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General Board / Re: If I fail the bar....
« on: July 19, 2008, 01:45:30 AM »
Don't something like 90% of people pass this sucker in most states?  Why are you people so worried?

Even in the easiest of states the pass rate is not 90%.  It's hard to relax when your law license is on the line.  You'll understand one day. 

Illinois was 90% for first time takers last year. High five!

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General Board / Re: What do you do to relieve your anxiety..
« on: July 18, 2008, 06:40:34 PM »
I like to blog about my insipid existence at DePaul Law, write a barely coherent and extraordinarily boring book based on my blog posts, and then spam LSD about my book.


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General Board / Re: If I fail the bar....
« on: July 18, 2008, 06:37:12 PM »
Wow.  You guys are real downers.   :D

You're actually making 1L sound like a breeze compared to studying for the bar.

1L has its enjoyable moments, and really, the stress is quite contained and predictable.

Bar review has absolutely NO high points - the closest thing to a high point would be some jokes told by the Bar/Bri lecturers.  Perhaps the only good thing is that studying for the bar is 2-3 months of hell, where 1L is more like 9.  The 2-3 months is all the worse when you sit and think about the very real possibility that you'll have to do it all over again if you fail.

Credited. The Bar is zero sum, which truly makes the stress palpable. Unless you are at a Cooley-esque T4, even if you don't do well during your 1L, it's not like the gig is up. You won't grade on to a journal, you may not sit for OCI, etc, but you are still in law school. There are many shades of gray as a 1L.

Bar exam is black or white and the stakes are high.

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General Board / Re: NCBEX Bar Passage Rates
« on: July 17, 2008, 10:55:42 PM »
Wow, Illinois has a first time passage rate of 90%? That's awesome for me. You'd think that the 10% not passing are people who aren't studying much, aren't taking barbri, are working full-time, etc. With passage rates being so high, why is the bar exam thought to be so difficult? Any of you current preparers have any input on this? Who are the 10%?

I'm also sitting for IL and have wondered about that. I actually think the % of people that legitimately fail the test is lower than 10% in that people get thrown out for having cell phones, do not return for the afternoon or second day, etc. I'm pretty sure they all "fail" for the purposes of these reports.

This rubric/explanation thing is for Maryland (and is out of 6, not 5) but gives a pretty solid explanation of what the examiners consider for each point. I think most of us can easily bull 2s and 3s all day. Combine that with a reasonable 130 raw MBE and we should be in excellent shape.

Score Description of Demonstrated Performance

6 While not necessarily perfect, an answer receiving a score of 6
demonstrates a full understanding of the relevant and material facts,
a complete recognition of the issues presented, and an excellent grasp
of the applicable principles of law. The reasoning is thorough and
amply supports all conclusions. An answer receiving a score of 6 is
clear, concise, complete, and responsive to the question.

5 An answer receiving a score of 5 demonstrates a fairly complete
understanding of the relevant and material facts, a recognition of
most of the issues, and a good grasp of the applicable principles of
law. The reasoning is basically sound and supports most of the
conclusions necessary to respond to the question.

4 An answer receiving a score of 4 demonstrates an adequate
understanding of the relevant and material facts and a recognition of
the most important issues and principles of law. The reasoning is
adequate and supports the main conclusions necessary to respond to the
question.

3 An answer receiving a score of 3 demonstrates an incomplete
understanding of the relevant and material facts and misses, to some
degree, significant issues and key principles of the applicable law.
The reasoning is partially incomplete or incorrect and does not fully
support the main conclusions necessary to respond to the question.

2 An answer receiving a score of 2 demonstrates little understanding
of the relevant and material facts or law. The reasoning is seriously
flawed and fails to support the conclusions. The conclusions are not
adequately responsive to the question.

1 An answer receiving a score of 1 demonstrates fundamental
deficiencies in understanding of both the relevant and material facts
and law. The answer is largely unsupported by reasoning, any
conclusions drawn are unsupported and/or incorrect, and the answer is
not responsive to the question.

0 An answer will be assigned a zero only if the answer book is blank
or the answer is totally unresponsive to the question. For example,
copying the question into the answer book is unresponsive and will
result in an assigned score of zero.

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