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Naomi,

Go to Howard. Without disparaging NCCU, I'll just say that Howard has a brand that far exceeds that of most schools in this country much less NCCU. Consider this, Howard has 3 cats working at Wachtell (the most prestigious firm in the Country), NCCU has less than that working at Smith-Moore ( a regional firm in NC). I think the choice is clear.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: URM (AA male) chances
« on: July 14, 2011, 03:41:10 PM »
Your targets should be Yale, Harvard and Stanford. With solid letters of recommendation and well crafted essays, I'd say you're almost certainly going to get into Harvard and have a solid chance at Stanford.  My class at Yale had only 11 black kids total, so you can never be too sure there, but you have a fighter's chance there as well.

You should apply to several schools like Columbia, UVA and Michigan because they offer generous scholarships some of which are FULL rides + stipend.

And then if you have the money, throw a bone to some other tops schools in places you might like to live.

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2010 Graduate Poli Sci

URM - mom from sierra leone, west africa/ dad jamaican with portugese descent (never met father)
will be first college grad in family. 

3.0-3.1 GPA at graduation if I maintain current pace of straight A's. (Upward Trend-two straight years of all A's. 0.73 GPA after freshman year)

167 LSAT - Shooting for 171-172 on retake

Compelling Personal Statement and LOR's.  Former gang member/been stabbed in torsow/ scars to prove it. Not proud of it, just stating the facts.  Left gang and decided to attend college at 22 yrs. old after best friend was sentenced to 18 years in prison (fed time-no parole).  REALLY turned my life around

Started a youth mentorship program here in Atlanta....My Brother's Keeper which links underprivileged black males with black male college students.

I'm shooting for T-14. HYS and other top of the heap schools etc.

What are my chances?

Though this topic is old, I think that it might be relevant to a number of BALS (Black Aspiring Law Students).

First, I'd say it is really great that you turned your life around. Turning your life around and getting out of the gang life probably saved your life or kept you out of prison.

Second, I think that your admission to the top law schools will depend on the execution of your application. I think a pretty impressive personal statement would be comparing your story to your friend who is behind bars for 18 years. You have to write it a certain way to let the adcomms know that you've grown from that gang life and that it is behind you.

Now I think you'll get into a great law school, but being realistic, know that there are others in similar situations or worse. For example, I went to a HYS and met some former gang members. I also met some kids who spent time in prison doing time. They changed their lives around too...

but they were able to go to college at get 3.8 GPAs + 165+ LSATs. I know two particular people with this sort of profile. And let's be real, HYS is only going to accept maybe 1 or 2 people with such a profile every other admission cycle so the competition is FIERCE even with your story.

So you have to execute your application. Have to have perfect essays, GREAT recommendations, your LSAT is a little low, but shouldn't be too big a deal, and have an addendum discussing the challenges of adjusting to academic life from the street life and then talk about your grade trend.  You might also want to consider penning a statement of purpose so ADCOMMS know why you want to go to law school. Saying you one day want to be a federal prosecutor might be particularly powerful given you're Black and led a street life at one point.

Good luck.

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An addendum should be used to explain away a low GPA/LSAT score. I think addendums are helpful if you have a good reason for a low GPA. Some possible topics for an addendum are:

1. Started in Pre-Med with Analytically Rigorous Courses. Did Average in those, but decided not to become a doctor and switched to Humanties where my GPA shot up. Please put the somewhat lower grades I received as a Freshman and Sophomore in the context of my major at the time.

2. I became ill. GPA was solid prior to the illness. GPA was solid after the illness. Please place my GPA in the context of the my illness.

3. I'm 28 Years old. My GPA was earned much earlier in life. Since then I have received a masters in XX with a HIGH GPA and I have been working for several years. Additionally, because I've been working my LSAT is more reflective of my current ability. [Should have a compelling LSAT to match]

Under no circumstances would I be "honest" with the adcoms and say you were just young and immature and didn't care about school. That seems like an auto ding to me.


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Hello,

I am considering Howard Law School and I was just wondering what is the general GPA/LSAT range for full ride scholarships? Would love to hear from some students of HU about the scholarships, financial aid, and overall experience at Howard.

I received a full ride from Howard with a 3.5+, 165+. I didn't actually attend HUSL, but I received a full scholarship. It was contingent on maintaining a high GPA each year.

I think you need to have a 3.5+, 160+ to get the full ride.

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Hello! I'm also new here and not entirely sure how it works but here goes:

I'm really interested in applying to Michigan, Virginia, Texas, and UPenn in the upcoming cycle.
Any opinions on my chances, and realistic chances for scholarships, would be much appreciated :) Just trying to figure this out:

About me:
AA female, 3.96 from an HYP Ivy, 167 LSAT. Out of school for 3 years so far doing policy and child advocacy work and teaching. Strong softs (I think!), as they say. I'm really interested in child advocacy and special education law.

Realistic assessment of my chances would be so very helpful. And if you think I would need to retake LSAT to have a shot at scholarships.
Thanks!
PS. This is an awesome thread. Thanks for keeping it going :)

I had a lower GPA, but slightly higher LSAT and got a Hamilton at Columbia, Full ride at UVA, etc. So, with your numbers, I think you'll be able to get scholarships with your current numbers.

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Law School Applications / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 01:41:03 PM »
compact makes a good point that is at the heart of the affirmative action debate...namely, although today's whites may not have participated in jim crow or overt discrimination, they benefit today from the effects of that system.

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Law School Applications / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 11:33:34 AM »
your conclusion is still unwarranted. Your whole analysis creates a causal link between application percentage and acceptance. The percetage of applications from a particular group is irrelevant. If women outnumbered men in the applicaton process and only got 50% of the seats, but had on average sub-par scores than men, then it is possible that women still receive affirmative action. The evidence you give is weak and the links are silly at best.

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Law School Applications / Re: Affirmative Action is getting out of hand
« on: November 11, 2004, 10:55:43 AM »
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The number of women applying to law school and medical school and most graduated programs have outnumbered men applying every year since 2000.  The only exceptions to this might be graduate engineering programs and some MBA programs.  However, there are still slightly fewer women being enrolled.  Black women make up 60% of those applying and only 48% of those enrolled.  Therefore, being a woman (black, white or purple) does not currently help you in anyway in the admissions process to law school!

This has to be the worst analysis I've ever seen in my life. You list evidence and then make some semblance of a conclusion...Honestly, I don't see how you can draw your conclusion from the statements given.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: November 11, 2004, 12:29:33 AM »
Ruskie girl is evil. Remember the Chaneysville incident....she'll never understand.

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