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Agreed.  I got a paid internship after 1L that also exposed me to an area of law that is not taught in most law schools (and which I now hope to specialize in the future) and helped me get another paid internship for the next summer.  The 1L interns did the same work as the 2L interns there.

Also, considering that the OP is interested in very different legal fields and practice settings, multiple internships may help you make a more informed decision about which route to pursue out of law school.

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Hello, fellow non-trad here :)   I think you should seriously consider what Peaches is saying: 1) your connections in no way guarantees you a job anywhere and  2) you need FULL-TIME legal experience before graduating.  So although I think it's fine that you'll be taking summer classes this year, you should definitely try to get full-time experience next summer.  Basically, I just don't believe that the benefits of graduating a few months early outweighs the costs of foregoing substantive full-time legal experience.

You may not think that there's much of a difference between working full-time vs. part-time at a legal internship, but there is.  The difference is much more visible when you have both full-time interns and part-time externs working at the same time.  It is easy to overlook the part-timers when you have a full-timer constantly there.  The full-timer is likely to get the choice assignments first because: 1) the full-timer simply happened to be there when the project came up and the part-timer was not present  2) the full-timer has more time to express a preference for certain kinds of work  3) there is a short turnaround time required of an assignment and the part-timer would not be able to complete the assignment in the time available.   The part-timer may thus get relegated to non-legal work, like clerical tasks or paralegal tasks.  Another factor is that you simply get more face time with the attorneys as a full-timer and are more likely to be invited out to social events.  As the BigLaw model of summer associates show, sometime internships are less about the substantive experience and more about the networking

Unfortunately, sometimes non-trads have a harder time finding a job right out of law school.  Part of this is due to age discrimination.  Part of this is due to the fact that non-trads often over-estimate the extent to which their past experience and prior connections will help them with starting their new career as an attorney. True, a prior successful career can help you stand out in a field of applicants, but legal employers are more concerned with substantive legal experience.  This is why someone who went to law school straight from undergrad but had two full-time legal internships  may be more likely to be hired than someone with 10+ years experience in a related field (i.e. a former engineer/project manager wanting to go into IP law) but chose not to get full-time legal experience.

Lastly, I think it would behoove you to get legal experience from someone other than your brother.  At most interviews, you will be asked how you got the previous job.  Working for family may not be taken as seriously, especially if it was only part-time. 

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Current Law Students / Re: Con law
« on: April 12, 2007, 06:22:10 PM »
We don't cover 1st Amd either, and Conlaw here is only a 1 semester course (no ConLaw II).  They just tell us to take the 1st Amendment elective course if we're interested   ::)

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Current Law Students / Re: Teaching Assistant
« on: April 07, 2006, 11:21:25 PM »
RE timing: You really need to ask the TAs at your own school because the assignments and TA duties at each school are so different.  Our LR&W was really heavy--a 7-15 page memo/brief due almost every week through February, all graded by the TAs (8-11 students/TA).  On the other hand, some schools only have 2 or 3 long memos due for the entire course, and the TAs don't do the final grading.  So you won't probably won't get a consistent answer here....

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Job Search / Re: do law schools hire their own students?
« on: March 12, 2006, 11:20:11 PM »
Yes, this seems to happen more often with positions in Admissions and Development.

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Current Law Students / Re: Live alone or have a roommate?
« on: March 12, 2006, 11:17:11 PM »
If you're moving to a new area, I'd definitely say "live alone" for the first year.  My living situation (off campus apt, 1 roommate) turned out to be complete hell.  It entirely screwed up my first semester and is still affecting me now emotionally, financially, and academically.  Suck up the loans and just do it.  Once you get to know the area and people better, then find a roommate.  Believe me, 1L is NOT the time that you want roommate sh*t going down  ::)

I used to be an extrovert that loved Craig's List, but now...  :'(

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I can't speak in regards to big firms since I didn't apply to any, but I doubt LSAT score and undergrad GPA are the most important factors.  I had 4 job offers (3 paid) before 1st semester grades came out (thank god).  No one asked me about my LSAT score or my undergrad GPA, which were all mediocre- it was all about my undergrad curriculum and prior work experience.

Also, I've never heard of any summer internship asking for letters of reference aside from fellowship programs that specifically require a recommendation from a law school professor.  What types of employers requested/required them?

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Job Search / Re: 1L jobs. Big or Small Firms?
« on: February 14, 2006, 10:49:07 AM »
I was recently offered a job at a small Law Firm in Tallahassee, FL. The firm has less than 5 attorneys in 2 offices.

I am in the top 20% of my class at a Florida T4 school. They job only offers $11.00 for "summer law clerking in both civil and criminal areas."

My question is, is this the best I'll get as a 1L from a t4? I want to reject this offer and look for jobs that pay more but I'm scared of being left with nothing come summer time. Every I've talked to says "a bird in the hand...", but I wonder what my chances are of doing better.

Also, I've heard some people say that they learned a lot working in a smaller practice, I'm actually scared that all I'll be doing is making coffee and copies.

I'd appreciate some input thanks


Actually, I think you did ok with this job considering your school, rank and location.  $11/hour is great considering that most of your fellow 1Ls will be working in unpaid or even non-legal jobs this summer.  I really doubt you'll be doing menial tasks.  As a small firm, they might be overburdened as it is, and they can't afford to pay you that wage just for making coffee!  At most BigLaw firms, the summer associateship is more about recruiting than giving substantive work experience.

At this time in the recruiting cycle, I think it's late to start looking for another job, anyway.  It sounds like you have a good opportunity.  Don't waste it.

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Job Search / Re: Anyone know of firms that hire 1Ls?
« on: February 02, 2006, 09:11:16 AM »
I'm not looking for prestige, just a paying summer job.  

If your requirement is just that the job is paid, you may want to look outside of firms as well.  A few gov't jobs (i.e. public defender) and non-profits also pay and hire 1Ls.  I'm interviewing with a 501(c)(3) that pays $20/hour.

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Current Law Students / Re: Dorms in Cornell Law school?
« on: February 02, 2006, 09:01:39 AM »
$6K over 9 months isn't really cheap.  It looks like the range in Hughes is $570-751/month.  Compared to Ithaca in general, that's average to high, including utilities.

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