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Job Search / Re: Advice...2L no job.
« on: April 13, 2008, 07:59:33 PM »
When I was targeting small firms back in Jan/Feb, many of them told me to call back in March/April when they had a better idea if they had the work/funds sufficient to hire a summer clerk.  So you might not be too late in that game.  I wouldn't "mass mail" your resume though; that's never a good idea.  If you have a particular area of interest, try targeting firms that specialize in that field.  Or you can say something like,"I became interested in employee benefits law while taking Corporations last Fall."

You didn't mention what type of clerkships you already applied to.  How about a local judge?  Another option is to contact a legal staffing company (ex. Robert Half) and see if they have any short-term/temp, full-time paralegal positions that you could parlay into a summer law clerk position.

Have you asked your profs for suggestions?  Perhaps one of them or your school clinic could use research help over the summer?  Good luck!

Job Search / Non-BigLaw Summers: where are you going?
« on: April 11, 2008, 12:23:03 PM »
Just curious about the range of work here for people who aren't going the BigLaw Summer Associate route.

I'm going to be interning at a small boutique firm in DC.  You?

If you buy a Dell, also buy through small/med biz if you can.  That was actually cheaper than the edu discount for me.  It seems like a third of my school has the Inspiron 700m.  It works for me, but if I had the money now, I'd get the MacBook MA701LL.  It's 5 pounds and about $1100, maybe you could get it cheaper somewhere.

Agreed.  I got a paid internship after 1L that also exposed me to an area of law that is not taught in most law schools (and which I now hope to specialize in the future) and helped me get another paid internship for the next summer.  The 1L interns did the same work as the 2L interns there.

Also, considering that the OP is interested in very different legal fields and practice settings, multiple internships may help you make a more informed decision about which route to pursue out of law school.

Hello, fellow non-trad here :)   I think you should seriously consider what Peaches is saying: 1) your connections in no way guarantees you a job anywhere and  2) you need FULL-TIME legal experience before graduating.  So although I think it's fine that you'll be taking summer classes this year, you should definitely try to get full-time experience next summer.  Basically, I just don't believe that the benefits of graduating a few months early outweighs the costs of foregoing substantive full-time legal experience.

You may not think that there's much of a difference between working full-time vs. part-time at a legal internship, but there is.  The difference is much more visible when you have both full-time interns and part-time externs working at the same time.  It is easy to overlook the part-timers when you have a full-timer constantly there.  The full-timer is likely to get the choice assignments first because: 1) the full-timer simply happened to be there when the project came up and the part-timer was not present  2) the full-timer has more time to express a preference for certain kinds of work  3) there is a short turnaround time required of an assignment and the part-timer would not be able to complete the assignment in the time available.   The part-timer may thus get relegated to non-legal work, like clerical tasks or paralegal tasks.  Another factor is that you simply get more face time with the attorneys as a full-timer and are more likely to be invited out to social events.  As the BigLaw model of summer associates show, sometime internships are less about the substantive experience and more about the networking

Unfortunately, sometimes non-trads have a harder time finding a job right out of law school.  Part of this is due to age discrimination.  Part of this is due to the fact that non-trads often over-estimate the extent to which their past experience and prior connections will help them with starting their new career as an attorney. True, a prior successful career can help you stand out in a field of applicants, but legal employers are more concerned with substantive legal experience.  This is why someone who went to law school straight from undergrad but had two full-time legal internships  may be more likely to be hired than someone with 10+ years experience in a related field (i.e. a former engineer/project manager wanting to go into IP law) but chose not to get full-time legal experience.

Lastly, I think it would behoove you to get legal experience from someone other than your brother.  At most interviews, you will be asked how you got the previous job.  Working for family may not be taken as seriously, especially if it was only part-time. 

Current Law Students / Re: Con law
« on: April 12, 2007, 06:22:10 PM »
We don't cover 1st Amd either, and Conlaw here is only a 1 semester course (no ConLaw II).  They just tell us to take the 1st Amendment elective course if we're interested   ::)

Current Law Students / Re: Teaching Assistant
« on: April 07, 2006, 11:21:25 PM »
RE timing: You really need to ask the TAs at your own school because the assignments and TA duties at each school are so different.  Our LR&W was really heavy--a 7-15 page memo/brief due almost every week through February, all graded by the TAs (8-11 students/TA).  On the other hand, some schools only have 2 or 3 long memos due for the entire course, and the TAs don't do the final grading.  So you won't probably won't get a consistent answer here....

Job Search / Re: do law schools hire their own students?
« on: March 12, 2006, 11:20:11 PM »
Yes, this seems to happen more often with positions in Admissions and Development.

Current Law Students / Re: Live alone or have a roommate?
« on: March 12, 2006, 11:17:11 PM »
If you're moving to a new area, I'd definitely say "live alone" for the first year.  My living situation (off campus apt, 1 roommate) turned out to be complete hell.  It entirely screwed up my first semester and is still affecting me now emotionally, financially, and academically.  Suck up the loans and just do it.  Once you get to know the area and people better, then find a roommate.  Believe me, 1L is NOT the time that you want roommate sh*t going down  ::)

I used to be an extrovert that loved Craig's List, but now...  :'(

I can't speak in regards to big firms since I didn't apply to any, but I doubt LSAT score and undergrad GPA are the most important factors.  I had 4 job offers (3 paid) before 1st semester grades came out (thank god).  No one asked me about my LSAT score or my undergrad GPA, which were all mediocre- it was all about my undergrad curriculum and prior work experience.

Also, I've never heard of any summer internship asking for letters of reference aside from fellowship programs that specifically require a recommendation from a law school professor.  What types of employers requested/required them?

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