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Where should I go next fall? / Re: $$$ at GW
« on: January 19, 2005, 06:42:02 AM »
Candide, I'm in the same boat as you as Otis's numbers twin. I'll be psyched checking the mailbox today!

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Family Guy coming back May 1st!!
« on: January 18, 2005, 03:25:13 PM »
Oh man, I could go on with this for HOURS...

"Brian! There's a message in my Alpha-Bits. It says 'Oooooooo...'!"

"Peter, those are Cheerios."

OR

"What's your name?!"

"Umm..." (Sees peas on a plate) "Pea..." (Sees a woman crying) "..Tear..." (sees a griffin flying across the dining room) "Griffin. Ah, dammit!"


And for what it's worth, the Osama Bin Laden showtunes thing was done long before 9/11. And in an eerie twist of fate, Seth MacFarlane was supposed to be on one of those planes from Boston that day, but missed his flight.

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Law School Applications / Re: Validity of LSAT as a gauge of success
« on: January 07, 2005, 01:11:18 PM »
Ok, I'll bite. This is of interest to me specifically because I got a 165 on the first practice LSAT I ever took, took probably 10 more over the next two months that ranged from 169-176, and then got a 165 on the real thing. But since everyone is just throwing opinions out there without backing it up, here's some data.

This is from LSAC's site - I'd like to see the data on each individual school:
"The correlation between LSAT scores and first-year law school grades varies from one law school to another (as does the correlation between GPA and first-year law school grades). During 2002, validity studies were conducted for 182 law schools. Correlations between LSAT scores and first-year law school grades ranged from .02 to .60 (median is .39). Correlations between LSAT scores combined with undergraduate grade-point averages and first-year law school grades ranged from .23 to .66 (median is .50)."

This is corroborated by Frank Homer at the University of Scranton, who has done a number of LSAT studies:
"The national correlation between LSAT scores and first-year grades tends to be around +0.4. By comparison, the national correlation between undergraduate and law school grades tends to be around +0.25. The correlation for both variables combined is approximately +0.5."

My question is that do these studies use raw grades or class rank? Because obviously with a curve, even 175's at Harvard can get C's. And a 3.3 competing with Penn students beats the hell out of a 3.3 at Widener.

And if you have A LOT of time, this link takes you to a study that showed that LSAT performance was a good predictor for in-class timed exams, but poor for take-home exams and written papers. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=465381

And Lobe, the point domovoy was trying to make was the a review course alone does not a law student make. And for how much is made of the LSAT being "a strong predictor of 1L grades," .39 isn't a very impressive correlation coefficient.

I'm just glad to see some places (Penn with BigTex, Yale with Lexy) are REALLY going over the whole portfolio, not just paying their "not just the numbers" policies lip service.

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Acceptances / Re: In at Princeton!!!
« on: January 06, 2005, 11:59:27 AM »
Only in Hollywood. If I recall correctly, that's where the Honorable Phillip Banks attended law school.  :D

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I agree, yield protect is probably a big part of it - it wouldn't surprise me if they're waiting for the HYS people to withdraw (as am I!). But also, their EA apps were up significantly this year, so as amelus put it, they're probably waiting to see how their RD apps fall out.

Twarga, keep your hopes up - BigTex got into UPenn & Michigan with a 162 LSAT, non-URM, but 8 years of good WE with a start up software firm. Definitely something you don't see every day, ditto for 12 years in the military with JAG paralegal experience.

I called UPenn earlier in the week to let them know that an extra LOR was on the way, and out of curiousity I asked when they would get around to reviewing the deferred apps. The woman there told me as 2-3 weeks, and maybe even earlier. I hope it's the latter, this suspense is killing me.

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General Off-Topic Board / Jerry Orbach dead at 69
« on: December 29, 2004, 10:48:30 AM »
Truly a sad day - my stomach actually felt queasy when I saw this headline.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/29/obit.orbach.ap/index.html

Anybody have any favorite Det. Briscoe lines?

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Acceptances / Re: Cornell
« on: December 20, 2004, 03:33:34 PM »
Ariom, congrats - I remember you said you went to school in upstate NY - where, if you don't mind me asking?

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Acceptances / Re: Cornell
« on: December 17, 2004, 12:52:41 AM »
No, I went to Clarkson - it's regarded very well in business for engineering majors (of which I was one), but it's usually ranked 2nd tier. Very small upstate NY school - though we play Cornell in hockey, maybe that helped :) I'll take whatever I can get!!

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Acceptances / Re: Cornell
« on: December 17, 2004, 12:40:59 AM »
I'm ecstatic, I got the email tonight and was stunned to see it. Extremely ironic, too, since I had just flown back to my parents' house in NY for the weekend and I was enjoying a nice Cayuga Lake red wine when I compulsively checked my gmail and saw "Cornell" and "congratulation" on the same line. Congrats to everyone and else and good luck, I'm sure there's more coming out - because it couldn't have been just the top ones (I'm 3.91/165).

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Acceptances / Re: In at GMU
« on: December 15, 2004, 11:20:51 AM »
I just got the GMU call from Dean Richard as well. So everyone else, be on the lookout. Nads, that's funny you said that, because I had virtually the same situation when she called - someone was in my office, and I had to kind of play it up. Think I did well with it, though, haha. Good luck guys.

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