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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Liberty U Rocks!
« on: March 13, 2005, 04:24:41 PM »
I don't know about Regent, but Liberty takes Falwell's religious beliefs to an unacceptable extreme.  The demonstration of affection is strictly prohibited; he imposes a strict dress code upon the students (who, I found out, enjoy being called "Jerry's Kids"), and he really, truly believes that its OK to indoctrinate people with his ridiculous religious beliefs.  Religion does not belong in academia to that degree.

Law School Admissions / Re: Forced curve..what is it?
« on: March 13, 2005, 03:20:40 PM »
Jon, the trial admissions programs absolutely may use the forced curve.  They're probably trying *not* to accept everyone out of the program, so they'll establish a forced curve to keep enough people below the cut-off GPA, even if a larger number of people are doing "well enough" to get in were there no curve. they may use the forced curve.  That's not to say that they all (or even any of them) do. 

Law School Admissions / Re: Forced curve..what is it?
« on: March 13, 2005, 02:59:29 PM »
Depends on the school, but pretty much there's a set median like a B or B- and as many grades a prof gives above the median, s/he must give an equal number of grades below.  So if the prof wants to give 5 A's, he has to give 5 C's or lower.

Thank you.  Based on your explanation, it doesn't seem that something of this nature would be used in a trial admission program, where the school is seeing which students actually have what it takes to succeed academically.  But maybe thats just my belief.

Law School Admissions / Re: Forced curve..what is it?
« on: March 13, 2005, 02:44:28 PM »
Can someone explain the forced curve in a law school context?

Law School Admissions / Forced curve..what is it?
« on: March 13, 2005, 02:34:36 PM »
This may sound like a stupid question, but can someone please explain this "forced curve" that everyone talks about?  I'll be attending a trial admission program (the name of law school is irrelevant), and I find it hard to believe that if my work is good enough to earn, lets say, a C, the professors will be required to give me a lower grade because of this "forced curve."  The whole concept confuses me.

Thanks to whoever can offer an explanation.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Name Similarity Between Schools.
« on: March 06, 2005, 05:37:40 AM »
John Marshall (Atlanta) and John Marshall (Chicago)

i don't think princeton would open a law school that wasn't nationally renowed (i.e. top 5-10).  i see them snatching up some top notch faculty with great pay and perks.  then when they announce they will have a law school, they will already have a strong faculty and thus, will attract highly qualified students.

what do you all think?

Perhaps, but it still wouldn't be eligible to be "ranked" until it gets its provisional ABA approval

Princeton is largely overrated in many ways for its other programs, if it were to even gain entrance to the ABA, it should start off tier 4 and work its way up.


I definitely think Princeton would be, in a way, grandfathered in to the t14.  Most certainly the assumption on the part of many (enough) applicants, professors, professionals would be that Princeton would produce only a high caliber law school.  So, highly qualified a applicants would apply, they could also attract a strong faculty, firms would likely be interested.  Certainly, Princeton  would not be hanging around with Falwell's school simply because it is a newbie in the discipline.  Besides, it is often ranked in the top 3 (in law schools) in polls of the public; the aura of this ivy would encompass the law school.

I disagree whole-heartedly.  By admission, you're basing your opinion on an assumption, which is something that should never be done.  In any event, like any other law school, I'm sure it'd have to "prove itself" before USNWR puts it in the Top 14 in its silly, meaningless rating system. 

I guess that I should clarify. This in no way reflects my own opinions on the matter. More than anything, it is a reflection on how messed up the whole ranking process.

I am basing this in the prevalence of the USNWR rankings on how most people rate law schools. From my understanding of the USNWR process, a ballot or some list of sorts with the names of the ABA law schools are sent out to whoever they choose to ask. For most of these "voters", name rec. is probably a key factor in their perception of a law school's quality. The idea is that if they see the Pricceton name, it has to be good.

OK..I agree with you.  I've always taken issue with the silly "Tier" system.  A Tier 4 grad who passes the bar is much more useful to the legal profession than a Tier 1 grad who fails it.  Moreover, I've known PLENTY of Tier 4 grads (and an equal number of non-ABA grads) who have gone on to be deputy bureau chiefs and bureau chiefs of prominent DA's offices (not great pay, but amazing trial experience), and several Tier 4 and non-ABA grads who are partners at NLJ 250 firms.

Point is...the USNWR rankings...and their "tiers" are silly.

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