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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 18, 2013, 12:57:32 PM »
It's very difficult to predict what your LSAT score will be this early in the game. When you are a week or two away from the real test, and have been consistently scoring in the same range for a while, then you'll have a better idea.

It's unlikely that you'll increase 3-4 points with every administration of the exam. The thing about the LSAT is that it gets exponentially harder to gain points the higher you go. In other words, going from 155 to 160 is a big leap, but going from 160 to 165 is even bigger. Far fewer people will score 165 than 160, and only a fraction of all applicants will score above 170.

You would have to be making huge statistical leaps forward to consistently increase your score towards 170. In short, it's a lot harder than it sounds. 

Additionally, it seems that most people score lower on the actual LSAT than they did on practice exams. I think most people find that they plateau within a 3-5 point range. I had a friend who scored 174 on the LSAT, but even his diagnostic was something like 165.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that you should understand the statistical improbability of going from 149 to 170, and make a backup plan accordingly. Think about other options just in case you don't score 170, and other schools you may want to apply to.

Thanks. But so far I had been getting closer to my goal. I had been taking early morning tests and review at night after work and my MBA duties, and I had been scoring in the 165-168 on 33 minutes per section (thanks 7SageLsat app for timing and putting noise ie. someone yawning coughing, for the past week . Although of course the REAL LSAT is different and would see a drop (hopefully not significantly!) I feel confident with the 170. I think really understanding the key on applying the logic in the questions (most of my mistakes in the beginning is in this section) and checking your work diligently- makes the most difference. Take tests in different situation, in the park, in the library, in a coffee shop, in the office (I do this after work!), home, etc.

Point is - everything is possible (and workable)... keep on having your eyes on the prize and positive vibes!


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Law School Applications / Re: Filipino a URM? This might surprise you!
« on: September 09, 2013, 10:22:12 PM »
I am a non-trad Filipina and I have been checking with the ABA schools here in Northern CA. I have found that all of the law schools here do not give preference to Asians noted in the traditional sense like Japanese and Chinese. I don't know where they stand with Koreans.

However, when I spoke with an adcomm, they said that by their definition Native Americans, Hispanics and Black are considered URMs. Moreover, they will give preference in terms of "diversity" to those that are labeled Pacific Islanders such as Hawaiians, Tongans, Malaysians and Filipinos.

Glad to know there are some Pinay's on this board!!

Good to know this!!! I, a non-traditional Filipina (from the Philippines and moved here after HS and received 2 master's degrees!) might have to peruse this.

Thanks for this post.

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You can buy all those things, but there is no need to rush either you could simply take the December LSAT and have more time to prepare. The test isn't going anywhere and you can apply to schools you are interested in now and report you are taking the December LSAT to ensure you will have a spot for Fall 2014.

At least that was the situation when I was applying, but you may want to check with individual schools.

As for your cold tests those are great, but they really don't mean anything. Everyone I meet seems to get 170+ on their practice tests, but that does seem happen on the real test day. This is because the real test is a lot more presure than a practice, but it will be awesome if you get a 170+ I am rooting for you, but don't be discouraged if you don't get into Harvard.

However, if you just started 10 days ago and feel rushed you may want to fill out the apps and give you time adequate time to prepare. Just my two cents though.

Hi there!

Your post intrigued me since you mentioned to let schools I am interested in joining (heaven permits!) in the Fall know that I would be taking the December LSAT.  Should I send them a separate note/email?

Sorry, a little idiotic question may be but this is the first time I had encountered this thought and would love to know it.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 09, 2013, 09:47:30 PM »
I agree with Miami and hopefully you get a 170, but that is in the top 10% of LSAT takers and those who actually show up to the LSAT are college graduates that are motivated enough to get into law school. So it is the top 10% of tough competition.

Additionally if your diagnostic was 147 odds are with proper studying you can get between a 154-158, which is sufficient to get admitted into an ABA law school. If you get an ABA law school you can succeed as a lawyer and 90% of active lawyers did not attend the top 10% of law schools.

Do everything you can to score as well as possible, but do not get to discouraged if you score under 170. Almost every LSAT taker does.

Good luck with the test.

Thank you! Sorry for the confusion, I actually meant the December LSAT. For now, I am trying to see if I can achieve a few (3-5) points more every test for September (since I have a lot of time off from work this month!) and hopefully steadily improve for October. I thought that if by November 4 (the regular deadline for lsat registration), I should have a few points around 170 (give or take) so that I can determine if I should go ahead and register or not.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 09, 2013, 09:44:19 PM »
Going from 147 to over 170 is ambitious to say the least. I'm not saying its impossible - but you may find a month to be a little bit of a time crunch. If you truly think you can do it - id consider post-poning the test until February, or even June. If you don't think that is realistic, then take the test when you feel completely ready...

Good luck!

Hi Miami,

Thanks for the message. I am so sorry to have posted October .. I meant December (I got my 2 rowdy nephews of which one is 7 an one is 2 last night while typing!)  to take the LSAT. After reviewing my mistakes on my cold diagnostic, I actually improved my new test to 155, which is not bad but still gotta drill on LR and Reading a little bit more and possibly working a section a day on "light" days or during lunch breaks at work.


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Hi There, Fellow Non-traditional (prospective) law student,

You have a lot to offer. I (32, Asian, Master's in CRJ (honors), MBA (honors) + only 3.2 UG gpa + hoping to get high 160's to mid 170's), had seen so many wonderful opportunities (through research and ppl that I know), that had thrived wayyyy after their UG years. The fact that you had a wonderful LSAT score + MA's and jobs to peruse, you make a perfect law school applicant. These days, LSAT scores weigh more than UG gpa, of which for us non-traditional students would be at least a decade ago. I suppose you just need to write a really good personal statement to show you're a great package and that you've gone way better since UG.

Best of luck!  :)

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 08, 2013, 07:44:19 PM »
I'd say you take the test whenever you feel most prepared - no sooner. That will probably be, in terms of practice time, very different for each person. I'm not sure where lawschooli.com got their info from, but there are plenty of people - myself included - who have continued to score higher, more consistently with more time. I actually read somewhere that some LSAC rep said he recommends at least 6 months of study.

I spent about 2 months drilling technique/method until I was consistently scoring 180s on un-timed tests. I did not plan that, it just so happened to take me that long to get there. I then took 2-3 months to transition into timed tests and then another 2 months to transition to exact test conditions. By test day, I had taken just about every single test available and did not run out of tests. Remember, you MUST review every single test - in some cases multiple times.

I ended up scoring within my average LSAT PT band - albeit in the lower end of it.

Good luck!

I intend to work on LSAT-related materials everyday. 2 fully timed test every week. Working with specific sections and where I went wrong on other days. Also, working with BenchPrep online LSAT prep program. In essence, I intend to work on the LSAT an hour or an hour and half on "light" days and full tests and two hours additional review on "weekends." I'm working to break into 170 this December  (UPDATE: I initially said I was gonna take it this October) and my diagnostic (under real time and conditions) is 147. 

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Law School Applications / Re: 3.2 GPA LSAT???
« on: September 08, 2013, 07:39:31 PM »
lawschoolnumbers.com is a good site to look it appears with a 3.2 and 150+ you would be a shoe in and LSAC indicates their median LSAT is 152 so do as well as you can the higher your score the more scholarship money you are likely to receive.

Also don't get to down on Charleston law school I have never been to the school, but as an attorney I can tell you that any ABA school will provide you with a solid education and if you graduate and pass the bar your an attorney. Then what you do with your license to practice law is up to you.

Keep hitting the books for the LSAT and hopefully everything goes smoothly.

Just like you, I am also in my 30's (Turned 32 yesterday!) and I am also the higher earner (8+ years of Intellectual Property law researcher) between me and my Husband (no kids, yet!). That being said, I really hope to get a good score (170+) to get a scholarship  I have a 3.2 Cum. GPA (even though I graduated Cum Laude on my BA) and have a Master's in CRJ and will get my MBA this December (I'm on my last class and thankfully, it's fairly manageable!). I had a game plan set up, which involves working with LSAT related stuff every day, 2x LSAT full tests a week, working on Kaplan/Barron/Previous LSATs and BenchPrep LSAT online (thanks, Groupon!).

I took my diagnostic (Never checking out the LSAT before! Also, I took the sections right next to each other, no breaks between and within 35-36 minutes each section.) and I received a 149. I intend to take the October class and given my game plan, any advice if this 170+ goal is achievable?

Also, I do a lot of community volunteer work (I act as a Team Leader  in numerous civic projects here in NYC!) and I was hoping to get some scholarship in the top 14.

Everybody's input is very much appreciated.  :)

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