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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: What should I do?
« on: October 10, 2013, 12:03:40 AM »
The bottom line is no career is guaranteed as you are seeing in your current situation.

Also do not read into statistics to much they can be manipulated tremendously. I graduated last year from a not top 10 law school and found a job as an attorney that I truly enjoy and basically every normal person from my school got a job. If you attend law school, pass the bar, and behave like a normal person you can find employment, but you are unlikely to start out with a high salary, but the more years of experience you have the more valuable you become.

You should be wary of costs, because as a slightly older person you do have less time to recoup your investment, but you will be 37 when you graduate and pass the bar, which will leave you with a solid 30+ years to practice law.

Something to note is that many schools offer scholarships or in-state tuition and getting out with less debt is the way to go.

It also likes you must have some interest in law school if you already attended and want to come back. I say go for it, but consider cost and location in your decision. Good luck!

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Law School Admissions / Re: 3.2 GPA LSAT???
« on: October 09, 2013, 12:25:06 AM »
Congrats on completing the first major step towards a law degree. The relief you feel with the end of each step cannot be described until you go through nor can the pressure.

I am sure you will do fine on the LSAT and have options then law school will begin and plenty of posters on this site are happy to offer advice on excelling during your first year.

Congrats again on stepping up and taking the test.

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Online Law Schools / Re: St. Francis Law
« on: September 29, 2013, 01:12:20 PM »
I have heard of St. Francis not Southern California. I am sure either school will teach you the law, but online education particularly for something as nuanced as law school is difficult. When I was in law school I learned a great deal from being in class and participating in class discussion etc. You also realize everybody else is as confused as you.

The truth is any school that can get you a ticket to the bar exam can make you a lawyer. I assume both of these schools have some sort of accreditation and can get you the bar ticket, but there will be doors closed to you from either school. However, that doesn't mean you can't succeed as an attorney you just need to know what you want.

If you want to work in a Big Firm or obtain a Federal Clerkship etc don't attend these schools. If you want to start your own firm either school can get you a law license.

Good luck!

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You probably have a shot at American it looks like your right on the low end of the median for them , which is 159 LSAT 3.44 GPA and above their 25% which is 156 LSAT and 3.18 GPA here is the direct info https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage_Info/ABA_LawSchoolData.aspx?sid=4

So bottom line there is a strong possibility you can get in, but there is a chance you may not and if you want to live in D.C. you should apply to other schools in the area Catholic, Howard, and District of Columbia are also schools you have a shot at.

Georgetown or George Washington are probably not worth your time.

I would also recommend you attend an LSAC Law School forum here is a list of upcoming ones http://www.lsac.org/jd/choosing-a-law-school/law-school-recruitment-forums#WashingtonDC

The D.C. one has already passed, but NY and Boston have ones coming up in October. I went to the New York when I was a 0L and got 40 plus fee application fee waivers and I think stopping by a school's both gives you a slight bump in the admissions process since it shows you are serious.

If you go write your name and LSAC number at any school you have even a remote interest in and talk to the reps and see how you feel about the school it is a big decision.

Good luck.






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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: September 17, 2013, 06:34:42 PM »
I have never set foot on the Cooley campus, but I imagine it is a lot like every other law school and has some great profs and admins and some idiots. Same as any law firm, government agency, etc.

I don't think Cooley is going to wow employers or result in instantaneous job offers, but if you graduate from there and pass the bar your a licensed attorney. What you do with your law license has a lot more to do with you than the name of the school on your diploma.

I do agree publishing their own rankings is a little ridiculous and makes them the target of many bloggers who have likely never set foot in a law school classroom. I personally think any magazine ranking a law school is a Joke U.S. News included and Cooley spending their time on their own publication, which ranks them highly seems odd.

With that said your first year at Cooley, Wayne State, or any of the other 200 ABA law schools you will take these courses Torts, Contracts, Property, Civil Procedure, and Criminal Law. In these courses you will read Supreme Court cases and believe it or not the Supremes don't' write separate opinions for each law school.  The law is the law simply put.

There are some solid points about scholarships and if you can get a large scholarship at Cooley you may be a lot better off than paying full price at Michigan or Wayne State.

Bottom line is I am sure Cooley will teach you the law. Do not expect anything to be handed to you from there, but if you pass the bar and hustle you can have a successful career as an attorney.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Major Study Advice
« on: September 14, 2013, 12:34:25 PM »
Legend offers some solid advice

Also other than location you need to really look at costs of each school.

STCL for example is 27k per year

Baylor is 46k per year

Over 3 three years Baylor will be 57,000 more.

Additionally you may have a shot at getting a scholarship from South Texas.

You should also visit both Baylor and STCL or any other school you are interested and make sure it is a good fit. Schools are like companies or even military branches in your case.

Although I have never been in the military I imagine each branch has numerous similarities, but the Army has a different culture than the Navy and law schools have their own culture as well.

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.


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Law School Admissions / Re: 169//3.64 -- Is this a decent list?
« on: September 09, 2013, 09:19:48 AM »
When choosing a law school there a number of factors to consider and there is no "right answer" all 200 ABA law schools will give you a solid legal education and a bar exam ticket, which if you pass will make you a fully licensed attorney.

When choosing a law school there are 5 factors I believe should be considered in the following order, but remember anyone on this board or others is an anonymous internet poster that knows nothing about you so take any advice on these boards with a grain of salt my post included.

With that said these are the factors to consider (1) Location (2) Cost (3) Personal Feelings about the school (4) Understanding the Reality of Legal Education (5) Last and certainly lease U.S. News Rankings. Below is an analysis of each factor.

1) Location/
Your list of schools are mostly  Midwest, the South, and the NY/Phil/DC and I imagine you are ok with living in all of these areas. It is important to realize that wherever you attend law school is likely where you will spend the rest of your life obviously there are exceptions, but if you attend law school in Northwestern you will spend a minimum of three years of your life in Chicago. Your internships will be in Chicago, your professors will have more connections in Chicago, you will make friends in Chicago, find a place to live in Chicago for three years at least. Then odds are you will take the Illinois Bar at the end of law school and once you go through one bar very few people take it in a second state. You can see why most people end up in the City or state they attended law school. Obviously there are thousands of exceptions to this, but you can see how all those factors add up and the majority people stay.

Also remember law school does not exist in a vacuum even if you do end up leaving the location your three year experience in Chicago will be much different than Durham, North Carolina intense winters, big City in Chicago,  Durham small college town in the South obviously different experiences and be sure you can handle the different locations. Life happens when your in law school so make sure the City is a good fit for you.

(2) Cost
With your numbers you could likely obtain a full scholarship from a number of schools for example if you wanted to attend law school in Chicago I believe you could get a full scholarship at DePaul for example or if you wanted Chicago or a full scholarship at Michigan State opposed to Michigan etc.

The schools you list give you a shot at Biglaw, but if that is not something your interested in you may be better of getting a full scholarship at a lesser known school. If you get into Georgetown for example is 46k per year in tuition 23k per year in living expenses 69,000 annually over three years 207,000 total for the J.D. and I assume you are taking out loans and they will be accruing at around 6% a year so 12,000 per year in interest. If BigLaw is something you want then you can afford paying that back assuming you even get into it.

However, if you want to be a D.A., Public Defender, City Attorney, Family Lawyer, or work in a small town then you are much better off getting out with minimal debt it really depends on what you want. However, one thing to be care about should you take the scholarship route is the scholarship conditions attached often they will require a 3.0 GPA or something along those lines and if you don't negotitae for better conditions there is a good chance you will lose the scholarship for years 2/3.

3) Personal Feelings about the School
Another thing to realize is that each school has a culture to it. When I was 0L I visited many schools and while in law school I competed in a lot of mock trial competitions and went to different campuses and interacted with various schools. There were some schools I liked and others I hated, but those are my personal feelings you could very like love the schools I hated. It is very important to visit the schools, talk to students, professors, admins and just see if the school feels right for you. I guarantee you on that list there will be some schools that rub you wrong the way and others you feel great about and making sure the school is a good fit for you personally is very important.

4) Reality of Legal Education
It is pretty important to understand that at each and every ABA school you will essentially learn the same exact thing. Your first year at Harvard or Cooley will consist of Torts, Contracts, Property, Civil Procedure, and Crim Law they may switch between Crim Pro or Con Law in first year, and require you to take the other courses in 2L.

Then in 2L and 3L you will take remedies, corporations/business associations, evidence, wills & trusts, etc. In all of these courses you read Supreme Court cases and they don't write separate opinions for different schools. In Civil Procedure you will read Pennoyver v. Neff to learn Notice and International Shoe to learn about personal jurisdiction. In Con Law you will read Marbury v. Madison and in Torts you will read Palsgraf for proximate cause. Etc, Etc there are more dynamic professors at certain schools and the caliber of students at Harvard are better at Cooley, but you will learn the same thing.


(5) U.S. News Rankings

Remember this is nothing more than a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion. It has some value, but it is not something you should make a life altering decision on.

Conclusion
There is nothing wrong with your current list, but I think you should really determine where you want to live first and foremost then apply to all the schools in that region and see what type of scholarship offers you receive. LSAC usually hosts several LSAC forums and if you attend those stop by every law school both for two seconds and odds you will get a fee waiver that is what I did when I was applying and I got 20 fee waivers so I applied to each school that allowed me to for free and then got an abundance of scholarship offers and was able to negotiate for what I wanted.

I suggest you do the same, but be sure the school you choose is a fit for you and in a City you want to live in.

Good luck.




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Current Law Students / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 08, 2013, 10:04:27 PM »
Could not agree more and it is unfortunate that TLS, JDunderground and other sites are what many 0L's believe to be the truth.

At the end of the day if any 0L reads the post remember,  "those who know the least know it the loudest." TLS is a perfect example of that.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 08, 2013, 10:00:29 AM »
If I am reading your post correctly then you are a Freshman at UCLA. If that is the case do not worry about the LSAT until your junior or senior year of college for several reasons (1) You need to focus on getting a solid GPA (2) Have fun in College (3) Your LSAT score will expire by the time you can even apply and (4) by the time your a junior or senior in college you may have no desire to attend law school. (5) The LSAT is not going anywhere don't rush into it best time to take it assuming you even still want to attend law school is the summer of your Junior Year.

Overall right now don't worry about your LSAT it is to early in the game and you can score a 180 on your LSAT, but if you neglect your undergrad studies and finish with a 2.1 GPA your SOL. Additionally, you can retake the LSAT, but you cannot change your undergrad GPA so focus on getting the best grades you can now and worry about the LSAT later it is not going anywhere.

Your enthusiasm is great, but if your only a freshman college it is misplaced and you need to focus on what you are doing now particularly if this is your first month or so in college many students have a poor first year in college, which later impacts their grad school opportunities don't let them happen to you because you were to busy studying for the LSAT.

Good luck with everything and if law school ends up being what you want in a few years I wish you the best.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Major Study Advice
« on: September 08, 2013, 09:49:19 AM »
Most of Miami's advice is correct, but except for point 3 schools care very little about your personal statement/soft factors unless there is a tie breaker or your soft factors are so intriguing they could list it in some sort of marketing material i.e. you were a Congressman, NFL Quarterback, etc something that makes you look twice. Military experience is great and might give you a slight advantage, but again it all comes down to your GPA/LSAT.

So to answer your question whether your change your major or not will make little difference in the law school admissions process. It is entirely possible you may end up not going to law school or you may not like being a lawyer once your so in it  so choose the major you are most interested.

If Military Intelligence is something you want to learn more about major in it. If you are enjoying your current degree finish up with that. Your major will have little to no impact on the law school admissions process.

To illustrate why it doesn't matter law schools receive approximately 4,000 applications and everyone is a college graduate smart, hard-working, motivated people, and all have solid GPA's from a variety of majors. If you work in Military Intelligence I imagine you review 1000's of pages of documents and do not read every page in detail you scan for what is important.

Law School Admissions is no different they look straight for the UGPA and LSAT score and if it is above their Median and you didn't submit a resume in crayon and were able to piece together a coherent personal statement your in.

If your below the Median they will scan to see if there is any headline material in your application i.e NFL QuarterBack, Congressman, etc. However, whether you majored in Military Intelligence or Justice Administration is not the type of headline material that will get your application back in the maybe pile.

The bottom line for law school admissions, law school and even when you become a practicing lawyer is do not over think everything. It is not that complicated, but I know as OL I read all the same books, researched, and more or less freaked myself out for nothing.

Bottom line is graduate with the major you are most interested in and get the best GPA you can. Then take the LSAT and submit your application. If you have a semester or two left of school throw in some fluff classes to boost your GPA like weightlifting, Frisbee golf, etc to get a few easy A's if your school offers that and it might give you slight bump, but nothing more. It sounds like you are on the right track with a solid 3.7 GPA next step is the LSAT. Once you have your real numbers you can apply to law school then get ready to learn about Proximate Cause in Palsgraff and Personal Jurisdiction in International Shoe.

Good luck and I am sure everything will work out.

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