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2L job search / Re: Confirmations of Acceptance Letters
« on: February 10, 2014, 01:34:53 AM »
What purpose would this confirmation letter serve?

You might need a confirmation letter if your applying for work-study funding, but other than that I don't know what a confirmation letter would accomplish.

For purposes of having an understanding you should contact the person that hired you via e-mail to confirm when you are starting, ending, and if you are being the salary etc.

As you move forward in your legal career having documentation is key, but a simple e-mail can generally suffice. Congrats on your externship and good luck in your legal career.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Weighing TX law school options
« on: February 06, 2014, 01:28:01 AM »
Have you taken the LSAT yet?

I don't think you should rush into law school just for the sake of wanting to start ASAP.  As an anonymous internet poster that know nothing about you or your situation I have the following advice to offer.

Apply this Fall to a number of Texas schools. If your numbers are good enough to get into UT you will have a number of scholarship options and if you visit Houston Law and love it getting a J.D. debt free there might be a better option than UT at $150,000.


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Law School Applications / Re: REJECTED, ETC. TODAY
« on: February 06, 2014, 01:19:26 AM »
Glad to see you back on this board CA Law Dean.

I think MCSL or any CBA school can be a great choice for the right person. However, you need to go in with realistic expectations and understanding.

Do not expect Cravath to recruit you out of MCSL, CBA school, or even 75% of ABA schools.

However, if you want to be a solo, possibly a public defender, small firm, rural area, etc a license to practice law can open doors in a lot of areas and MCSL can get you a bar exam ticket, but whether you pass that exam and what you do with your law license will have a lot more to do with you than the name on your diploma.


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2L job search / Re: District Judge v. Magistrate Externship
« on: February 05, 2014, 12:06:06 AM »
No problem also just FYI a really great, but rarely used website the allows law student and recent graduates legal jobs is the BYU intercollegiate Job Bank, which is run through the BYU law school. I am not mormon, but it is a great site here is the link http://www.law2.byu.edu/site/career-services/find-a-job

It is password protected, but the username is Jobfind and the password is Cougarjobs . Just FYI the password changes every month. This job bank has almost every ABA law schools career service website on it and is what I used when I first graduated to find legal work.

Good luck in the rest of your legal career.

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Acceptances / Re: Hamilton at CLS vs. SLS vs. HLS
« on: February 04, 2014, 09:33:01 PM »
I looked up the Hamilton at CLS and it is my understanding that provides a full scholarship.

If you have a full scholarship to Columbia that might be something to consider, particularly if your goal is not BigLaw.

Without debt you can have a lot more options, but I don't know what you want. If your goal is to be a D.A. or something I would take the money, because you will get hired from any of these schools, but a government position will pay what is pays regardless of your educational background.

If your goal is to work at Cravath or something then Harvard might be the best choice.

Again, you know what you want more than some anonymous internet poster, but a J.D. from Columbia and no debt is a pretty good position to be in.

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2L job search / Re: District Judge v. Magistrate Externship
« on: February 04, 2014, 08:56:53 PM »
It cannot hurt the more Federal Court experience you have the better, but no guarantees.

Finding a job in any profession is really a crapshoot, but if you stay positive and keep applying good things will happen.

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A law student cannot represent you in Court. To represent someone other than yourself in Court you need to be a licensed lawyer.

You should probably use your County or State Bar Association to find legal representation. There are also sites like http://www.legalmatch.com/ out there that can match you with an attorney.

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Acceptances / Re: Hamilton at CLS vs. SLS vs. HLS
« on: February 02, 2014, 07:03:26 PM »
First Congrats on your acceptances those are some great options. Also remember where to attend law school is a life altering decision and you should take any advice received on internet boards such as this, my post included with a grain of salt.

With that said I think any law student should consider the following five factors when choosing a law school in this order. (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings about school; (4) Understanding the Reality of Legal Education; (5) Last and Least U.S. Rankings.

The reasons for these factors are analyzed below.

Location:
This is the most important decision in my opinion, because law school does not exist in a vacuum and you will spend a minimum of three years in the City you attend school. Additionally, odds are after three years during the prime of your life in a City where you have an apartment, make friends, likely enter into a relationship, take a state bar, obtain internships, etc odds are you will remain in the City you attend school. Obviously, there are exceptions to this, but if you attend Columbia odds are you will end up in New York; Stanford in the Bay Area; Harvard in Boston.

With that you have to ask yourself where you want to live. If your a California girl and want to be in California Stanford might be the best option. I don't know your personal situation, but if you are close to your family, have friends, are in a relationship etc those relationships will be impacted if you attend Columbia or Harvard by the distance. However, there is excitement moving to a new City and meeting new people, but only you can answer what is best for you.

Additionally, Palo Alto, Manhattan, and Boston are different places. I personally think Palo Alto is very boring and hate it I am in that City all the time. It is very safe and nice, but I like a little more chaos. Columbia is sort of near Harlem and a beautiful campus and you have easy access to NYC and it can be great. I have never been to Boston or the Harvard campus.

You definitely need to visit the schools and evaluate the Cities for yourself.


2) Cost

I imagine with these acceptances you can get scholarship money from these schools, but look at the total cost. I assume you will be taking out loans to pay for school and this money is not free

Stanford is 50k per year tuition 25k per year living expenses x 3 years = $225,000. Here is LSAC price link http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/official-guide-2013/aba4704.pdf

Columbia is 52k per year tuition 22k living expenses x 3 years = $222,000. Here is the LSAC price link
http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/official-guide-2013/aba2163.pdf

Harvard is 48k per year tuition 23k per year living expenses x 3 years = $213,000. Here is the LSAC price link
http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/official-guide-2013/aba3457.pdf

So looks like Harvard is the cheapest, but they are all roughly the same price. However, if you can obtain scholarship money from these schools that is definitely a factor. You may also be able to get full ride scholarships from other law schools.

Before entering law school you have negotiating power and don't be afraid to use it. Tell Stanford you are thinking of choosing Harvard and vice versa see if they offer you 5-10k scholarship.

(3) Personal Feelings about School:
This is also very important every school has a culture to it and whether you like that culture or not is a decision only you can make. To determine if the school is a fit for you visit the schools talk to professors, students, admins, alumni and see how you feel after meeting them.

Also walk around the campus and the surrounding area. You will be spending a lot of time on campus and in those few blocks and you will either love it, be indifferent, or hate it. After visiting the schools you will have a gut feeling and it is important to listen to that.

(4) Reality of Legal Education:

Whether you attend Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, etc or some other ABA school you will be learning the same thing. You will be reading Supreme Court Cases and the Supreme Court doesn't write separate opinions for each school. No matter what school you attend your first year will consist of Torts, Civil Procedure, Contracts, Property and you will be reading Pennoyer v. Neff to learn about notice, Palsgraf in Torts to learn proximate cause etc.

Obviously at these institutions the professors will be phenomenal, but at the end of the day the law is the law.

(5) Rankings:
Remember U.S. News is nothing more than a for-profit, unregulated opinion that is offering an opinion. Just because they say Harvard is better than Columbia this year doesn't make it true. Additionally, the rankings change every year and this year Harvard and Stanford are tied. If you actually look at the rankings you will see the endless ties and you can really see the ridiculousness of it.

Additionally, all of these are amazing institutions known worldwide so you would much better off considering location, cost, and personal feeling about the school when making your decision.

Conclusion:
At the end of the day there is no right answer. I remember when I was a 0L deciding where to go I kept looking for something that would make the decision for me, but there is no way to know how it will work out. Maybe if you go to Stanford everything will go right maybe it will go horribly there is no Crystal Ball unfortunately although it would be great to know how it would turn out.

I really think once you visit the schools a gut feeling will develop and go with that.

Congrats on your acceptances and good luck whatever you decide.


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General Board / Re: anyone admitted for 2014-2015 in miami schools
« on: February 02, 2014, 06:17:00 PM »
You can use lawschoolnumbers.com to see if certain schools have made acceptances already.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: July 2013 Bar Exam Results
« on: February 01, 2014, 08:17:06 PM »
I think there is no question California is the hardest bar. Almost every other has only two days of testing while California requires three, which means there is a whole lot more material that is tested on.

Additionally, the mental strain of three days of intense testing is a lot worse than two. I think a lot of smart people just burn out on day three, which doesn't happen in New York or Texas.

Out-of-State schools understandably do not go out of their way to teach students California subjects or that it is more difficult than other states since they focus on the state they are located in.

I truly think if you want to be a lawyer in California you should attend an ABA school in California, but I am just a guy on the internet.


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