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Law School Admissions / Re: C&F Question
« on: January 05, 2016, 10:37:52 AM »
This is one of those things that if you disclose will not be any issue whatsoever.

You thought something was going to happen it didn't and people that have been arrested and charged with crimes have passed the Moral Character process.

Misrepresenting that you were part of a extracurricular club is not going to destroy your legal career.

I guess your college application then alleges you were part of a club in high school, which would mean you were not even 18 at the time of the application.

So really this is a minimal issue. Take the LSAT, get the best grades you possibly can and apply to law school.

This is really a non-issue and if it ever comes up be honest, but I don't ever recall anyone in the process asking for my college application.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BU v. GW v. Fordham
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:58:02 AM »
Loki gives great advice and assuming OP has not already made the decision, I think the skill you learn in law school is to use common sense, which hopefully you did.

As OP states he should choose the school he/she likes best. Not a difficult conclusion, which is bolstered by the fact that OP has family in BU, he/she like Boston the best and Boston is offering money and BU is actually cheaper per year in Tuition than GW or Fordham.

 So the choice is attend a school near your support system, in a city you enjoy, and will cost less.

Or attend GW for example, which is not near the support system, not the City OP is familiar with and will cost more. However, the perk is that in 2015 U.S. News put GW in a four way tie for 22nd. While BU is in a 2 way tie for 26th. So an unregulated for profit magazine, that is unable to determine, which schools are 23,24,25th best is the one reason for paying more money, getting away from your support system, and moving away from a City you enjoy. (Bad Choice) 

It is also worth noting that OP's post went up in 2013 when Boston was 29th, but has risen to 26th. GW was 20th in 2013, but has fallen to 22nd and if BU is ahead of GW when OP graduates in 2016, nobody will be shocked.

Fordham also went from 29th to plummeting 38th.

What happened at these schools during that time? Nothing of consequence they are all fine, which is why you use common sense and not a for profit unregulated magazine to make a life altering decision.

Therefore, when faced with the choice of paying less to live in a City you enjoy and have the support of friends and family, compared to paying more, to move to a City you enjoy less away your support system, you choose the former.

It is this amazing tool called common, which far to many 0L's myself included as 0L fail to use when choosing a law school.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 19, 2015, 09:00:36 AM »
Fair enough and I like the analogy, but the argument will soon be a graduate degree is the new hs diploma. There are countless people with bachelors that are not getting any jobs at all.

The overall gist is that starting a career is hard and finding your first like "real" job is a really hard. Most if not all professional jobs want you to have education and experience, but how can you get experience if they will not you without experience?

People eventually figure it out, but it is a pain in the ass. Then once you get your first job you are overworked and underpaid and it is far from perfect and it is work.

Unless there is some easy to get, high paying, challenging & fulfilling when I want it to be, but doesn't get in the way of my life job out there. I think whatever career path you choose it is a bit of a rat race and law is one of many career paths with its pros and cons.

However, I think one of the primary reasons many law school students is because people have unrealistic expectations and think upon graduation you will be handed some high paying job that allows you to only work on interesting cases etc, but that is not the case.

Your first legal job will be hard to get and you will be overworked and underpaid just like everyone else that starts out.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 18, 2015, 01:38:32 PM »
That is a fair way to deal with it.

However, my point is that if a college grad b**tched and moan** that they couldn't get a job and had debt etc and said nobody should ever go to college, you would say no you should probably start looking for a job not b**th on the internet about it.

Eventually that college grad would find a job, but it would take time. If this college grad simply said nobody should ever go to college you would say that is not necessarily true.

If this college grad went to Humboldt State expecting to make $200,000 at graduation will then you said that was never going to happen. Did the college grad go in with common sense and have realistic expectations?

If yes then college can be a great idea if not they will be bitter. Not much different than law school.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 18, 2015, 10:08:00 AM »
Well the college graduate will say that is great I am not going to law school, but I am in debt and don't have a job. College is a waste of money and nobody should pursue education, because it costs money and doesn't guarantee you a job. 

Is this college graduate right? He has accrued debt, did not work for four years, has no job and has nothing a piece of paper to show for his work.

Is he doomed to giving handj**s on the street?

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 18, 2015, 09:11:22 AM »
No what do you tell the college grad that says I have 80k in debt and cannot find a job.

This kid goes on the internet and warns everyone college is a scam and to avoid it all costs, because you will accure debt and be unable to find a job at graduation.

What do you tell that kid?

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 17, 2015, 12:55:37 PM »
I assume you would tell him look for jobs eventually he/she will find one.

It is unlikely that person will be unemployed their entire life, but will have struggles getting their first job.

What is different for a lawyer?

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 17, 2015, 09:02:31 AM »
Well you didn't answer the question.

A business major with a 3.3 GPA that accrued $40,000 in undergrad debt says he can't find a job. He tells everyone not to go to college, because nobody will hire you without experience. 

Is he right? What advice would you give this person?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: .
« on: December 16, 2015, 09:12:24 AM »
Yea I don't know if LSAT instructor is the dream position of someone capable of killing it on the LSAT. If someone can pull a 170 on the LSAT and get into Harvard Law they will can probably do better than being an LSAT instructor.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 16, 2015, 09:00:02 AM »

Let's pose this hypo a 23 year old college graduate cannot find a job, with their bachelor's degree. What do you tell them to do?

Everyone keeps saying law school is this unique terrible decision, which is unlike any other profession. I disagree and think law school like anything else has its pros and cons,  but if law school is such a bad idea what  should the person above do?

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