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Job Search / Re: 2L Summer & Post-Grad Employment Search & Alternatives
« on: January 21, 2016, 10:47:10 AM »
I am in the Bay Area and went through the same thing, but I passed the bar and have had multiple jobs. I think like most 2L's at the halfway point of law school you are freaking out, which is not surprising. You are thinking will I ever get a job? Will anyone ever hire me? The answer is yes.

OCI works for almost nobody in reality and is often just a way for school's to say firms come, but just because a firm comes does not mean they are hiring anyone. Often it is just a favor for alumni.

I would stay focused do as well as you can in school and look for jobs. There is plenty of work for licensed lawyers, but it is frustrating to get your career started. I know as a 2L and I believe everyone that has posted I was in the same spot, but i passed the bar etc and have had jobs since I passed.

If you are in the Bay Area a networking opportunity that you might be interested in is the Bar Association of San Francisco Basketball League, which starts on January 26th. We need two more teams to start and games are at University of San Francisco. If you could get a Hastings team together that would be great we had the league their last season, but Hastings Gym is terrible.

If your interested in playing in the league let me know and I will PM you the info.

You shouldn't post on the internet period if your really stressed out.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Evidence Why 0L's shoudl not use Rankings
« on: January 21, 2016, 10:35:52 AM »
If used properly it has some merit i.e. you know if you were choosing between Georgetown v. Penn or something maybe it matters, but it really doesn't matter at all when a law student is choosing between Gonzaga and Idaho.

I had heard at one point U.S. News did it like college sports and ranked the #25 teams so it was an honor to be ranked, which makes sense. However, there is a reason college basketball doesn't rank outside the top 25 there is simply no way to know if Cal State Northridge Basketball is a better team than Northern Texas Basketball. They are both D1 schools with good players, but far from elite programs.


Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 07, 2016, 02:15:49 PM »
I don't think he ever said he knew what he was talking about he is just saying random stuff on the internet that doesn't make a lot of sense and probably laughing at how much discussion is being generated talking about it. Donald Trump like really.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAC is confusing
« on: January 07, 2016, 01:55:55 PM »
Probably and just some advice, because I was a 0L before going to law school, passing the bar etc and actually asked many questions similar to yours on this board, which was easy to do, but I rarely obtained helpful information. Remember as you go through law school, the application process, etc that anyone anywhere can post anything they want on the internet. For all you know I am a crackhead in a public library or I could be the the director of LSAC.

Either can setup an LSD account and post as I am doing now.

The questions you are asking are important so go right to the source and ask the admissions office of the schools you are applying to these questions. They have the answer and want to help students answers the questions you have.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 07, 2016, 01:15:35 PM »
I'm loving this thread very entertaining.

I think as OP says getting a 165 is great and might inevitably lead to a sports car, which he has left unspecified. You got a micro machine sports car without a 165 LSAT.

As Loki properly points out and what many 0L's don't understand is that these vague terms (Big-Law) (Mid-Law)(Boutique) etc are all undefined.

Cravath is the prototypical Big-law firm, but what is the actual definition of Biglaw Bryan Cave has 1,100 attorneys that seems big to me, Jackson Lewis has 800, Severson & Werson has 120.

Is Severson still Biglaw? 

If they want to classify themselves as that sure or they can say they are a Boutique financial services firm if they wanted.

In short, 0L's read all these U.S. News Rankings, guidebooks, etc that don't have any practical application to the real world.

You graduate and pass the bar.

You then try to find a job as an attorney and apply to jobs that interest you, which hopefully hire you.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAC is confusing
« on: January 07, 2016, 01:00:03 PM »
If you are retaking the LSAT they are going to wait so they can determine what if any scholarships they should offer and whether to accept you or not.

Retaking the LSAT will impact their decision so they don't want to make a decision and then change, particularly since there is no harm in waiting until late February March to tell you. Additionally, each school handles it differently the school you are discussing might average your two scores, most schools don't do that, but a school can have whatever admission criteria it wants. 

Then for the transcripts it could have been a mistake by LSAC, maybe you submitted something wrong, who knows? Certailny not random people on the internet like myself.

My recommendation is call these two schools admissions office directly and ask what is up. Ask what you can do to have your transcripts sent and also why they are not reviewing your application until February LSAT. My post above are just my opinion, which means absolutely nothing as I have never worked in a law school admissions office.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 06, 2016, 11:13:26 PM »
If you want to avoid people who say "just my opinion" an internet board that lets anyone offer their opinion about anything might not be an ideal place. a little humor.

I get what your saying, but just kind of funny to think about.

The OP is just offering an opinion and I am sure there is a firm out there that asks what your LSAT score was and plenty that don't.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 06, 2016, 12:43:06 PM »
I think OP is just being entertaining and I like it. Sure why not say 165 is necessary to succeed that is a good score.

I would also say you need to be at least 6'10 to make the NBA. There are countless examples of people under 6'10 that are in the NBA, but being 6'10 wouldn't hurt.

So yea if you are trying to attend law school I hope to get a 1650 or higher on the LSAT shoot for doing that why not, but even if you don't you can still succeed as an attorney.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 05, 2016, 12:06:14 PM »
Well interesting thread that goes directly against the OP's statement.

OP scored a 166 and did not make it as a lawyer.

I scored under a 165 and am licensed in two jurisdictions and have won many trials and make a living as a lawyer as do most attorneys that did not finish in the top 10% of LSAT takers.

The LSAT is the first baby-step in the process and once your in a law school it does not matter. As OP has proven a variety of factors arise during law school and no matter what your score you might quit to become a musician, or any other situation could arise.

In short, plenty of people become practicing attorneys without scoring a 165 or higher.  There are also many people that score above a 165 and don't make it.

Certainly having a 4.0 and 180 LSAT is ideal, but it is not a guarantee of success.

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