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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 07, 2016, 03:15:49 PM »
I don't think he ever said he knew what he was talking about he is just saying random stuff on the internet that doesn't make a lot of sense and probably laughing at how much discussion is being generated talking about it. Donald Trump like really.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAC is confusing
« on: January 07, 2016, 02:55:55 PM »
Probably and just some advice, because I was a 0L before going to law school, passing the bar etc and actually asked many questions similar to yours on this board, which was easy to do, but I rarely obtained helpful information. Remember as you go through law school, the application process, etc that anyone anywhere can post anything they want on the internet. For all you know I am a crackhead in a public library or I could be the the director of LSAC.

Either can setup an LSD account and post as I am doing now.

The questions you are asking are important so go right to the source and ask the admissions office of the schools you are applying to these questions. They have the answer and want to help students answers the questions you have.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 07, 2016, 02:15:35 PM »
I'm loving this thread very entertaining.

I think as OP says getting a 165 is great and might inevitably lead to a sports car, which he has left unspecified. You got a micro machine sports car without a 165 LSAT.

As Loki properly points out and what many 0L's don't understand is that these vague terms (Big-Law) (Mid-Law)(Boutique) etc are all undefined.

Cravath is the prototypical Big-law firm, but what is the actual definition of Biglaw Bryan Cave has 1,100 attorneys that seems big to me, Jackson Lewis has 800, Severson & Werson has 120.

Is Severson still Biglaw? 

If they want to classify themselves as that sure or they can say they are a Boutique financial services firm if they wanted.

In short, 0L's read all these U.S. News Rankings, guidebooks, etc that don't have any practical application to the real world.

You graduate and pass the bar.

You then try to find a job as an attorney and apply to jobs that interest you, which hopefully hire you.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAC is confusing
« on: January 07, 2016, 02:00:03 PM »
If you are retaking the LSAT they are going to wait so they can determine what if any scholarships they should offer and whether to accept you or not.

Retaking the LSAT will impact their decision so they don't want to make a decision and then change, particularly since there is no harm in waiting until late February March to tell you. Additionally, each school handles it differently the school you are discussing might average your two scores, most schools don't do that, but a school can have whatever admission criteria it wants. 

Then for the transcripts it could have been a mistake by LSAC, maybe you submitted something wrong, who knows? Certailny not random people on the internet like myself.

My recommendation is call these two schools admissions office directly and ask what is up. Ask what you can do to have your transcripts sent and also why they are not reviewing your application until February LSAT. My post above are just my opinion, which means absolutely nothing as I have never worked in a law school admissions office.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 07, 2016, 12:13:26 AM »
If you want to avoid people who say "just my opinion" an internet board that lets anyone offer their opinion about anything might not be an ideal place. a little humor.

I get what your saying, but just kind of funny to think about.

The OP is just offering an opinion and I am sure there is a firm out there that asks what your LSAT score was and plenty that don't.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 06, 2016, 01:43:06 PM »
I think OP is just being entertaining and I like it. Sure why not say 165 is necessary to succeed that is a good score.

I would also say you need to be at least 6'10 to make the NBA. There are countless examples of people under 6'10 that are in the NBA, but being 6'10 wouldn't hurt.

So yea if you are trying to attend law school I hope to get a 1650 or higher on the LSAT shoot for doing that why not, but even if you don't you can still succeed as an attorney.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Score Theory
« on: January 05, 2016, 01:06:14 PM »
Well interesting thread that goes directly against the OP's statement.

OP scored a 166 and did not make it as a lawyer.

I scored under a 165 and am licensed in two jurisdictions and have won many trials and make a living as a lawyer as do most attorneys that did not finish in the top 10% of LSAT takers.

The LSAT is the first baby-step in the process and once your in a law school it does not matter. As OP has proven a variety of factors arise during law school and no matter what your score you might quit to become a musician, or any other situation could arise.

In short, plenty of people become practicing attorneys without scoring a 165 or higher.  There are also many people that score above a 165 and don't make it.

Certainly having a 4.0 and 180 LSAT is ideal, but it is not a guarantee of success.

Law School Admissions / Re: C&F Question
« on: January 05, 2016, 11:37:52 AM »
This is one of those things that if you disclose will not be any issue whatsoever.

You thought something was going to happen it didn't and people that have been arrested and charged with crimes have passed the Moral Character process.

Misrepresenting that you were part of a extracurricular club is not going to destroy your legal career.

I guess your college application then alleges you were part of a club in high school, which would mean you were not even 18 at the time of the application.

So really this is a minimal issue. Take the LSAT, get the best grades you possibly can and apply to law school.

This is really a non-issue and if it ever comes up be honest, but I don't ever recall anyone in the process asking for my college application.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BU v. GW v. Fordham
« on: December 23, 2015, 12:58:02 PM »
Loki gives great advice and assuming OP has not already made the decision, I think the skill you learn in law school is to use common sense, which hopefully you did.

As OP states he should choose the school he/she likes best. Not a difficult conclusion, which is bolstered by the fact that OP has family in BU, he/she like Boston the best and Boston is offering money and BU is actually cheaper per year in Tuition than GW or Fordham.

 So the choice is attend a school near your support system, in a city you enjoy, and will cost less.

Or attend GW for example, which is not near the support system, not the City OP is familiar with and will cost more. However, the perk is that in 2015 U.S. News put GW in a four way tie for 22nd. While BU is in a 2 way tie for 26th. So an unregulated for profit magazine, that is unable to determine, which schools are 23,24,25th best is the one reason for paying more money, getting away from your support system, and moving away from a City you enjoy. (Bad Choice) 

It is also worth noting that OP's post went up in 2013 when Boston was 29th, but has risen to 26th. GW was 20th in 2013, but has fallen to 22nd and if BU is ahead of GW when OP graduates in 2016, nobody will be shocked.

Fordham also went from 29th to plummeting 38th.

What happened at these schools during that time? Nothing of consequence they are all fine, which is why you use common sense and not a for profit unregulated magazine to make a life altering decision.

Therefore, when faced with the choice of paying less to live in a City you enjoy and have the support of friends and family, compared to paying more, to move to a City you enjoy less away your support system, you choose the former.

It is this amazing tool called common, which far to many 0L's myself included as 0L fail to use when choosing a law school.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L First Semester Grades
« on: December 19, 2015, 10:00:36 AM »
Fair enough and I like the analogy, but the argument will soon be a graduate degree is the new hs diploma. There are countless people with bachelors that are not getting any jobs at all.

The overall gist is that starting a career is hard and finding your first like "real" job is a really hard. Most if not all professional jobs want you to have education and experience, but how can you get experience if they will not you without experience?

People eventually figure it out, but it is a pain in the ass. Then once you get your first job you are overworked and underpaid and it is far from perfect and it is work.

Unless there is some easy to get, high paying, challenging & fulfilling when I want it to be, but doesn't get in the way of my life job out there. I think whatever career path you choose it is a bit of a rat race and law is one of many career paths with its pros and cons.

However, I think one of the primary reasons many law school students is because people have unrealistic expectations and think upon graduation you will be handed some high paying job that allows you to only work on interesting cases etc, but that is not the case.

Your first legal job will be hard to get and you will be overworked and underpaid just like everyone else that starts out.

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