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« on: November 20, 2013, 11:48:34 PM »
Miami offers great points and there is only way to know how you will do on the LSAT. That is by taking the LSAT you can read books, predictions, etc bottom line is all you can do is study your but off take the test and come away with a score.
As for your GPA that is in your hands I am sure everyone wants to get a 4.0 or 4.3 and you fully intend to, but odds are you won't. Nothing against you personally, but that is the reality the same way on the first day of law school 100% of students truly believe they will be in the top 10%, which obviously 90% are wrong.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you get a 4.3 and a 180 on the LSAT, but this is unlikely. With that said if you have a 3.1 in a bio major I imagine you will do reasonably well on the LSAT and be capable of being admitted to an ABA law school. It is unlikely to be Harvard, Yale, etc, but you will probably get into an accredited law school if that is what you want.
Believe it or not you can succeed as a lawyer from any ABA school so if being a lawyer is what you really want you want I believe you can accomplish that goal.
Good luck in college and on the LSAT
« on: November 19, 2013, 08:29:16 PM »
You should contact the admissions department there every when I was a 0L every law school I visited provided me with a detailed list of housing options, programs, etc.
They will no the parameters of commuting to school, the area, etc far better than any anonymous internet poster.
« on: November 19, 2013, 08:19:59 PM »
Excellent advice above, but I do caution you to not take these employment statistics to seriously. The truth is every single law school will provide you with a solid legal education and there are successful lawyers from every school as well as unsuccessful lawyers from every school.
No matter school you attend whether you succeed or not will depend a lot more on you than the school you attended.
Feel free to look at websites like lawschooltransparency or LSAC there are worse things you could do, but what I recommend is reaching out directly to law schools your interested in. Ask the admissions department if they can provide you with a list of alumni to speak to or you can use this to find alumni from a number of schools and contact these people directly. website http://www.superlawyers.com/toplists/lawschools/united-states/2009/
To many 0L's and law students myself included get so wrapped up in finding information on the internet, which is the easy route, but you can't gauge someone's credibility from an internet post and plenty of people exaggerate their stories on the internet because why not your posting anonymously on the internet and there is no repurcussion for being wrong, lying, etc.
If you actually meet alumni, visit the schools, etc you will come away with a real sense of what to expect. I know this is time consuming and even a little scary to setup, but this is a 3 year $100,000 decision and it is certainly worth making a few phone calls.
With all that said there is no "perfect" law school no matter how much research you do there is a chance things will go terribly or go great if you knew how it would turn out the decision would be easy. For example I was accepted to 15 different law schools back when I was applying and I will never know if the decision I made was the right one. Had I chosen one of the 14 other schools I can guarantee my life would be different no idea if it would be better or worse, but there simply is no way to know how it will turn out. All you can do is use common sense and again I strongly encourage you to make actual contact with lawyers and visit the schools you are interested in. Those visits and conversations will tell you far more than any website or internet poster.
« on: November 18, 2013, 09:47:43 PM »
It isn't that ridiclous it is true e-mail and mail exist as do telephones, but proximity plays a major role in contact. I imagine you have moved or graduated high school etc. If you went away to college or left your hometown for any reason there are a probably a number of people you intended to stay in contact with, but a week turned into a month turned into a year. I imagine that has happened to everyone out there and if you aren't able to keep in contact with friends how likely is it you will call, e-mail, your law school?
That is my point regarding these numbers overall law school graduates are people and upon graduation keeping your law school updated on your salary and job placement is not high on any lawyers priority list. You have family obligations, friends to contact, cases, bills, jury duty (just got that in the mail) , trips, basketball games, etc and going out of your way to update your law school on your employment status in very low on your priority list particularly if you live 100's of miles away.
I imagine you currently are not in law school so lets relate these stats to other items. There is a census that is released every 10 years did you contact them to make sure you were reported correctly, are you currently registered to vote in the City you live in? (you may or may not be) . Does your high school and college have your current address, phone number, have you reported your salary information to them? There endless things to report and frankly most people don't bother with any of it unless they have to.
When you graduate from law school there is no repercussion for not proving your employment information and most people simply either intend to fill out the survey (that was me it was on my desk to fill out when I passed the bar and I intended to fill it out, but a week turned into a year and five years later I never filled it out. Some people are very protective about their privacy and don't want to fill it out. Plenty of people do fill them out, but again every single law school graduate has their own personality and just knowing human nature I imagine people who live 500 miles away from their law school simply forget to send in updates.
If you or anyone else wants to take these numbers as gospel and an indicator of how a law school performs go for it people have had crazier thoughts, but I caution any OL or current law student to really use common sense when applying to law schools and not take these numbers to seriously as they are not indicator of how your career will turn out.
The truth is there are outstanding attorneys from every ABA law school as well terrible ones from every ABA law school. If you pass the bar you are licensed to practice law and what you do with that license will be far more up to you than the name of your law school.
At least in my anonymous internet poster opinion.
« on: November 17, 2013, 05:00:16 PM »
My main argument is these numbers mean absolutely nothing. I imagine fewer Washington & Lee alumni keep in contact with their school than William & Mary based on Geography. Washington & Lee is located in Lexington, VA a town of 6,000 people in the middle of Virginia not near anything. Graduates likely leave the geographic area and do not keep their school updated.
William & Mary is also located in a small town of only 15,000, but it is near the Hamptons and more employment opportunities making it more likely that alumni keep in contact with the school. Here is a link to google maps showing where the two schools are located. https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=williamsburg+va&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89b0890a4495aa1b:0xc14b30175e160eaa,Williamsburg,+VA&gl=us&ei=1TqJUuHpHsSfiAKv8ID4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CN4BELYD
With that said the numbers mean very little in my opinion and as I displayed above you can manipulate them to say whatever you want. However, even if the numbers are 100% accurate there are more than 50 unemployed William & Mary Grads and well over 50 Washington & Lee Grads that are employed and it really shows it is up to the individual more than the school.
Maybe William & Mary does give you slight edge over Washington & Lee and I would imagine that would be due to location more than anything else, but even assuming these numbers are accurate you are not guaranteed to succeed from William & Mary nor are you guaranteed to fail from Washington & Lee.
Bottom line is there are graduates from every ABA school in America that are employed and doing well for themselves conversely there are graduates from every ABA school who have been unable to pass the bar or find employment.
Whether you succeed in the legal profession has far more to do with the individual than the name of their school at least in my anonymous internet poster opinion.
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:26:44 PM »
Agreed remember the admissions committee will be reading thousands of personal statements and eventually they all blend together. Remember admissions officers are people and how exciting does sitting in a room reading 4,000 personal statements sound? Bottom line do something to catch their attention up front there, but there is no exact formula.
Also remember your LSAT/GPA are really going to be the deciding factor in the admissions decision so do not stress out about the personal statement to much. .
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:21:12 PM »
You shouldn't focus on your flaws in your personal statement it should do everything possible to make you look like an amazing person that needs to be at X school. Your story about being a Refugee etc is grabbing every single applicant out there could have done better in College or done something better, but don't dwell on that.
Saying although your GPA and LSAT is lackluster is going to make the reader immediately look back at your numbers and it sounds like the last thing you want is for them to be looking at the numbers. The truth is they will see those they are what they are use the personal statement to sell yourself.
Usually personal statement means very little, because it will be from some College Kid that volunteered at a Legal Aid Society or the typical story that is fine, but the committee will just go to the numbers there. Very few law school applicants have been through real struggles and being a Refugee traveling to various countries etc will be unique and set you apart from the standard Rich White Kid applicant.
Again, good luck.
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:07:28 PM »
Percentage wise you are correct, but William & Mary has 204 Graduates while William & Lee had 130 Graduates.
William & Mary graduated 74 more students than William & Lee and according to the number you cited 73% as an employment score, which I take to mean 73% of William & Mary Grads reported employment. If 73% found employment 27% did not. 27% of 204 Graduates equals 55 the number of William & Mary Grads that did not report employment assuming these numbers are correct.
Comparatively William & Lee has 130 Graduates and you said their employment score is 49.2%, which I take to mean 49% of grads reported employment. Lets just call it 50% since it is so close this means 65 William & Lee Grads are employed and 65 are not.
There are 65 William & Lee Grads employed and 55 William & Mary Grads that are unemployed again assuming these numbers are correct.
I could manipulate these numbers a variety of ways to say whatever I want though. I.E more than 50% of William & Lee Grads did not find employment while 73% of William and Mary Grads did.
Or I could say 148 William & Mary Grads found Employment while only 65 William & Lee Grads found work.
On and on and on. You can manipulate statistics to say whatever you want really and again the truth is that there are plenty of people who found employment from both schools and plenty that did not. Again, these has a lot more to do with the individual than the name of the school on their diploma.
« on: November 14, 2013, 12:49:26 AM »
Excellent comments Miami.
A judge once told me imagine writing a word costs $100. This was excellent advice and being able to say a lot with few words is how to become an effective lawyer and writer.
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