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Law School Applications / Re: Admission Counseling Company
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:43:15 AM »
How is he selling false hope? Don't be negative for no reason.

Joel good for you wanting to help law students with their applications. 

Transferring / Re: Transferring After 1st Semester 2L Year
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:38:35 AM »
Please do not take the rankings to seriously remember it is nothing more than an unregulated for profit magazine offering an opinion. Additionally U.S. News ranks more than law schools and currently New Mexico is the best place to live citation here.

Are you going to move to New Mexico because U.S. News said it is the #1 place to live? I hope you would not make the life altering decision to move to New Mexico simply because U.S. News said it was the #1 place to live. On the same vein do not make the life altering decision of transferring law schools because U.S. News has changed the ranking. Also realize the U.S. News formula makes little to no sense for that reason schools rankings change drastically year by year.

You can look at this table to see how often schools have changed over the past four years.  if you transfer it is very possible the school you are attending now will rise above the school you transfer to. Schools can jump 20 to 30 spots any given year.

On top of that I can tell you very few firms care about the U.S. News Rankings outside of the "Top" law schools. If you were transferring to Harvard or Yale it could open more doors, but if your transfering from say Florida International to Stetson or Gonzaga to Seattle nobody cares about the difference between the 92nd and 112th best school.

If you are content at your current school stay there. Remember legal education at every school is essentially identical I do not know what law school you attended, but I imagine your first year consisted of Torts, Civil Procedure and Property. In Torts you read Palsgraff for Proximate Cause and Pennoyer v. Neff for Notice etc. In the end you will learn the exact same things whether your transfer or not and when you graduate you will then take BarBri or Kaplan for your State's Bar exam and be in a room with law students from around the Country learning the same thing. You will then take the Bar Exam, which will be very stressful and if you pass you will have a license to practice law. Once you are a licensed lawyer what you with it will matter much more than the arbitrary U.S. News Ranking of the school you attended. 

I cannot tell how many law students place so much emphasis on these rankings, but frankly they are B.S. Obviously Harvard, Yale Stanford etc will open doors and you didn't need U.S. News to tell you those are elite institutions, but frankly outside of the "top" law schools I have no idea what the various rankings are and I am an attorney that reviews resumes.

Also you should be very concerned with the Debt you incur and eating credits based on a magazine. Stay where you are unless you have legitimate reason to transfer such as family emergency or something, but if you had an interview with my firm and told me you decided to pay an extra 25,000 dollars and took an extra semester of law school based and left all the friends and connections you made at your current school based on a magazine I would question your judgment.

All I can say is use common sense and do not make life altering decisions based on opinions published by a for-profit and unregulated magazine.

Good Luck.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:22:38 AM »
Good to hear you are enjoying Taft as for the intentional torts and learning differnet topics that is what you will be expected to do when the bar comes around. The California bar consists of 13 subjects Torts, Contracts, Civil Procedure, Property, Con-Law, Evidence, Community Property, Remedies, Wills & Trusts, Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure and Business Associations/Corporations. Any of those 13 subjects can be tested during the three day exam, but only 6 will be so learning to cram different in now is good practice.

I imagine you are correct ABA students as a whole are probably higher caliber than those at Taft, but all that really matters is what you do. I know the first few months can be overwhelming, but stay focused and you will be fine.

Also I think a common mistake 1L's make is overthinking and making topics more complicated than they need to be. I was guilty of this first year, but improved as time went on.

Also some good sites to use are to get a grasp on cases and also use CALI lessons to start working on practice problems.

Additionally continue using this site it is a great resource for current law students.

Law School Applications / Re: LSAC help!
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:15:04 AM »
Maintain is right on point the school you are interested in applying to will give you all the answers and there are a few schools that prefer not to use LSAC and the school you are interested may be one of them. Again, contact the admissions office of the school they will be more than happy to assist with your application it is what they do.

Good luck.

Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 15, 2013, 01:21:54 AM »
You are right I was a year off, but many schools are going down including Mr. Campos's University of Colorado.

Median GPA 3.64
Median LSAT 164


Median GPA 3.58
Median LSAT 162

Law school applications are down substantially across the Country so I imagine the numbers at the majority of schools are dropping. However, none of that really matters as I have been saying all along any ABA school will provide you with a quality education and we can nitpick numbers all day, but they really are meaningless in determining who will or will not succeed in the legal profession. Simply because University of Colorado's Median GPA and LSAT went down this year does not mean the professor's became worse or the facilities became dilapidated. It is all the same and at Colorado as with Hofstra a quality education will be provided and it will be up to the Students to determine how they use it.

A little late, but frankly there is no major that will prepare you for law school. What you need to do is focus on getting the highest possible GPA you can in undergrad and do not even think about the LSAT for the next few years. More importantly study what you want in undergrad for a career you might want to pursue. There is a good chance your desire to attend law school could fizzle out and if you took courses solely for the purposes of law school you may regret it particularly since law schools truly do not care what your major is.

Enjoy undergrad and get the best GPA you possibly can. Also take a few fluff classes if you can to pad your transcripts with a few easy A's boosting your GPA will never hurt you.

As for the LSAT don't even worry about that right now you will be dealing with freshman year in College and it can be a difficult time and you want to do as well as possible.

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal career.

Pre-Law in high school / Re: Being a runner
« on: October 15, 2013, 12:28:34 AM »
When you say runner what does that entail exactly? Just filing documents at the Courthouse?

If that is the case everything should be fine all you are doing is having the clerk stamp documents then bringing them back. It is a good gig for a high school kid and you can read the motions, pleadings, etc so you have some flavor for the law.

Good luck on your pursuit of a legal career and feel free to post on this board with other questions you might have since it can be a quality resource. Good luck.

Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 15, 2013, 12:18:07 AM »

Here is the official ABA data from LSAC for the past four years.

While the Median GPA went down last year the median LSAT went up from 158 to 160. Additionally, the school's admission standards have gone up every year below are the specific median GPA/LSATS over the past four years notice the GPA had gone up every year.

Hofstra 2010-2013 Median GPA/LSAT

Median GPA 3.28
LSAT 155

Median GPA 3.56
LSAT 157

Median GPA 3.58
LSAT 158

Median GPA down to 3.32
Median LSAT up to 160

Just for fun let's again rip on Mr. Campos whose school has not improved as much as Hofstra over the past 4 years.

Colorado Numbers 2010-2013

Median GPA 3.66
Median LSAT 163

Median GPA 3.68
Median LSAT 163

Median GPA DOWN to 3.61
Median LSAT 164

Median GPA 3.64
Median LSAT 164

Pretty Stagnant on University of Colorado's end and since 2010

Hofstra overall median GPA since 2010 even with the drop this year is up overall .4 and their Median LSAT has gone up 5 points.

Colorado since 2010 overall GPA is down .02 and their LSAT has improved by 1 point.

Again Mr. Campos should probably focus on the issues at his own school, which has been stagnant and just dropped seven spots in the rankings this year itself.

I feel bad for ripping on Colorado this much as I am sure it is a fine school, but for a professor who school is in disrepair and has itself raised it's tuition from $22,000 per year in tuition in 2010 to it's current $31,000 per year in tuition price tag should focus on improving issues at his school not ripping on a school in another state.

Again, I do not mean to discredit the University of Colorado Law School, but Mr. Campos ragging on other schools is completely unprofessional and he is embarrassing their school. I am sure both Hofstra and Colorado along with every other ABA school provide a quality education.

Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 14, 2013, 09:09:23 PM »
Yea Paul Campos can comment all he wants, but just to clarify he is not an expert.

Is law school tuition to expensive? I would agree, but Hofstra doesn't charge much more than other schools and it is located in NY, which is one of the most expensive places in the United States so it is not that surprising.

As for $55,000 at graduation that is not uncommon and a newly licensed lawyer truthfully has no idea what they are doing. After a few years of experience the salaries increase significantly, but entry level lawyers do not make much money. Entry level doctors make even less than lawyers and their tuition is more expensive and getting an M.D. takes four years. For example a University of Texas M.D. Resident makes $51,859.

The salaries increase in both the Medical and Legal Fields, but the first few years are brutal. You have tremendous responsibility in either position and you barely known anything when you first graduate. I will also say that if your goal is to be "rich" don't go to law school or into medicine. You can make a lot more money in sales, insurance, banking, etc, but the legal and medical professions give you the ability to do things nobody else can and if you really want to be a doctor or lawyer then it can be a rewarding career. If the sole purpose of going to law school is to make money you will be probably be disappointed.

I can tell you I love my job as an attorney and the thrill of being in a trial cannot be matched. I could be making more money doing something else, but I love being a lawyer. If you really want to be a lawyer or doctor then any accredited school can give you the tools to succeed.

If you want to look at numbers and stats etc go for it, but it doesn't mean anything. Additinoally, Paul Campos is a fraud he criticizes professors for not having enough legal experience, but he himself is a professor that has never practiced law.

Paul Campos rips on Hofstra for being to expensive and not placing students. However, he is a law professor at Colorado, which charges $31,000 for residents or 38,000 for non-residents. Since you seem to think Law School Transparency has so much value it should be noted the school paying Paul Campos's salary has the same 51% LST score as Hofstra the school he is criticizing as being out of date.

51.4% employment score

51.2% employment score

Again as I have said throughout this thread Hofstra is not some elite institution and frankly outside of the TOP law schools the rankings, placement numbers, etc are up to the individual student. Plenty of people succeed from Hofstra and plenty do not.

Paul Campos though is the classic example of a guy talking out of his ass and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Seriously, if I was his student and my tuition dollars were going to a man writing how bad legal education is I would lose my sh**. If this guy really cared he should not collecting tuition checks, but he doesn't he wants to make money anyway he can and rip on a school across the Country that is performing at the same level as the one he is collecting checks from.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Please help make law school decision
« on: October 14, 2013, 08:42:42 PM »
Did you end up attending Chapman or Hastings? If so how is it going?

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