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Law School Applications / Re: Undergrad institution
« on: October 19, 2013, 02:36:47 PM »
Not really law schools are driven by numbers and if you have a 3.8 from Brandham it will look better than a 3.4 from Cal State Fullerton. Neither school is an elite institution and the truth is the Davis Admissions Committee won't care one way or the other about the school.

Don't overthink the admissions process focus on getting the best possible GPA and then getting a solid LSAT score. Davis is a solid school, but also don't forget McGeorge if you want to be in Northern California. Good luck on your pursuit of a legal education and thanks for your service.

Feel free to post other law school related questions on this site there are some great posters.

Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 19, 2013, 02:24:02 AM »
I imagine there are plenty of people who think Campos is an expert, but it doesn't make them right a lot of people thought the behind this photo was an expert, but the tagline on the image says it all.

One thing I can guarantee is Hofstra's placement will not be impacted by this drop in rankings. I highly doubt even one law firm anywhere is revoking job offers to individuals they hired based on this drop in rankings and OCI's are not being cancelled. Attorney's in the real world do not make decisions based on the rankings nor do they care about them. Common sense gets applied and Harvard is a good school, but I encourage you to go and speak with lawyers who have been licensed 5+ years and ask them what U.S. News has ranked Hofstra Law School. There response will be I have no idea and I don't care.

Golden Gate / Re: In Vino Veritas Competition
« on: October 18, 2013, 07:37:27 PM »
GGU had some tough times in in the mid 2000's, but they got a new dean in 2009-2012 and another new dean this year and hired a number of new professors. GGU is far from Harvard, but it has always been a solid litigation school.

Mock Trial and real litigation is a classic example of why law school ranking doesn't matter, particularly if you want to be a litigator. I believe you are thinking of South Texas College of Law not Texas A & M dominating higher ranked schools.

South Texas College of Law is essentially the best trial advocacy school in the Country and wins the majority of competitions they enter. In Mock Trial Competitions you never know who is from what school, because just like in Real Court you never say I went to X law school, because no jury should ever hear what law school you went to.

I encourage any 0L to watch a live trial at their local courthouse and you can see good and bad attorneys, and you will have no idea what school they went to and frankly it doesn't matter.  The rules for hearsay, relevance, expert opinion etc don't change based on what school you attended.

Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 18, 2013, 07:25:16 PM »
Could not have said it better myself Maintain. 4% Biglaw is acceptable believe it or not there are a number of people out there who do not want to work in BigLaw. Additionally, those at Hofstra should be realistic and know unless they finish in the top 4-5% of the class and even then no guarantee of BigLaw.

BigLaw is like getting drafted to the NFL/NBA about .01 percent of people make it. If you play College Basketball at Division 1 San Jose State odds are you are not going to the NBA. You can probably play internationally somewhere, but you will not make a multi-million dollar contract, but if you really want to be a professional basketball player San Jose State can get you place somewhere.

Law School and BigLaw is no different about 1% of lawyers are in Biglaw and unless you attended on of the name schools odds are you will not get an interview let alone hired. However, there are plenty of City Attorney, D.A., P.D., Litigation, Small firms etc that work well if you want to be a lawyer, but if you want to be making $200,000 k at graduation in Manhattan you better have finished in the top of your class at a T14 school.

I also agree Paul Campos's attack on Hofstra is on par with what a naive 0L would write, but Mr. Campos went straight into Academia and has no practical legal experience so it is not that surprising his attack was so unprofessional.

Legend love the passion and agree with everything you said, but Lrt was using ABA employment data, which although not the best compilation of information is better than U.S. News.

There are plenty of issues with tracking employment stats, but there is some credence to it. I also think the actual article written with the data is excellent and hits all the crucial points such as U.S. News and the rankings in this poll don't really matter.

Anyway keep posting!

Law School Applications / Re: Admission Counseling Company
« on: October 17, 2013, 01:14:37 AM »
I am on your side JoelButterfly.

What do you think aspiring 0L's should know about the admissions process?

Law School Applications / Re: Admission Counseling Company
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:43:15 AM »
How is he selling false hope? Don't be negative for no reason.

Joel good for you wanting to help law students with their applications. 

Transferring / Re: Transferring After 1st Semester 2L Year
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:38:35 AM »
Please do not take the rankings to seriously remember it is nothing more than an unregulated for profit magazine offering an opinion. Additionally U.S. News ranks more than law schools and currently New Mexico is the best place to live citation here.

Are you going to move to New Mexico because U.S. News said it is the #1 place to live? I hope you would not make the life altering decision to move to New Mexico simply because U.S. News said it was the #1 place to live. On the same vein do not make the life altering decision of transferring law schools because U.S. News has changed the ranking. Also realize the U.S. News formula makes little to no sense for that reason schools rankings change drastically year by year.

You can look at this table to see how often schools have changed over the past four years.  if you transfer it is very possible the school you are attending now will rise above the school you transfer to. Schools can jump 20 to 30 spots any given year.

On top of that I can tell you very few firms care about the U.S. News Rankings outside of the "Top" law schools. If you were transferring to Harvard or Yale it could open more doors, but if your transfering from say Florida International to Stetson or Gonzaga to Seattle nobody cares about the difference between the 92nd and 112th best school.

If you are content at your current school stay there. Remember legal education at every school is essentially identical I do not know what law school you attended, but I imagine your first year consisted of Torts, Civil Procedure and Property. In Torts you read Palsgraff for Proximate Cause and Pennoyer v. Neff for Notice etc. In the end you will learn the exact same things whether your transfer or not and when you graduate you will then take BarBri or Kaplan for your State's Bar exam and be in a room with law students from around the Country learning the same thing. You will then take the Bar Exam, which will be very stressful and if you pass you will have a license to practice law. Once you are a licensed lawyer what you with it will matter much more than the arbitrary U.S. News Ranking of the school you attended. 

I cannot tell how many law students place so much emphasis on these rankings, but frankly they are B.S. Obviously Harvard, Yale Stanford etc will open doors and you didn't need U.S. News to tell you those are elite institutions, but frankly outside of the "top" law schools I have no idea what the various rankings are and I am an attorney that reviews resumes.

Also you should be very concerned with the Debt you incur and eating credits based on a magazine. Stay where you are unless you have legitimate reason to transfer such as family emergency or something, but if you had an interview with my firm and told me you decided to pay an extra 25,000 dollars and took an extra semester of law school based and left all the friends and connections you made at your current school based on a magazine I would question your judgment.

All I can say is use common sense and do not make life altering decisions based on opinions published by a for-profit and unregulated magazine.

Good Luck.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:22:38 AM »
Good to hear you are enjoying Taft as for the intentional torts and learning differnet topics that is what you will be expected to do when the bar comes around. The California bar consists of 13 subjects Torts, Contracts, Civil Procedure, Property, Con-Law, Evidence, Community Property, Remedies, Wills & Trusts, Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure and Business Associations/Corporations. Any of those 13 subjects can be tested during the three day exam, but only 6 will be so learning to cram different in now is good practice.

I imagine you are correct ABA students as a whole are probably higher caliber than those at Taft, but all that really matters is what you do. I know the first few months can be overwhelming, but stay focused and you will be fine.

Also I think a common mistake 1L's make is overthinking and making topics more complicated than they need to be. I was guilty of this first year, but improved as time went on.

Also some good sites to use are to get a grasp on cases and also use CALI lessons to start working on practice problems.

Additionally continue using this site it is a great resource for current law students.

Law School Applications / Re: LSAC help!
« on: October 16, 2013, 02:15:04 AM »
Maintain is right on point the school you are interested in applying to will give you all the answers and there are a few schools that prefer not to use LSAC and the school you are interested may be one of them. Again, contact the admissions office of the school they will be more than happy to assist with your application it is what they do.

Good luck.

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