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Personal Statement / Re: Personal Statement Help Please :D
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:21:12 PM »

You shouldn't focus on your flaws in your personal statement it should do everything possible to make you look like an amazing person that needs to be at X school. Your story about being a Refugee etc is grabbing every single applicant out there could have done better in College or done something better, but don't dwell on that.

Saying although your GPA and LSAT is lackluster is going to make the reader immediately look back at your numbers and it sounds like the last thing you want is for them to be looking at the numbers. The truth is they will see those they are what they are use the personal statement to sell yourself.

Usually personal statement means very little, because it will be from some College Kid that volunteered at a Legal Aid Society or the typical story that is fine, but the committee will just go to the numbers there. Very few law school applicants have been through real struggles and being a Refugee traveling to various countries etc will be unique and set you apart from the standard Rich White Kid applicant.

Again, good luck.

Washington and Lee / Re: Washington and Lee Graduates Salaries Decline
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:07:28 PM »
Percentage wise you are correct, but William & Mary has 204 Graduates while William & Lee had 130 Graduates. 

William & Mary graduated 74 more students than William & Lee and according to the number you cited 73% as an employment score, which I take to mean 73% of William & Mary Grads reported employment. If 73% found employment 27% did not. 27% of 204 Graduates equals 55 the number of William & Mary Grads that did not report employment assuming these numbers are correct.

Comparatively William & Lee has 130 Graduates and you said their employment score is 49.2%, which I take to mean 49% of grads reported employment. Lets just call it 50% since it is so close this means 65 William & Lee Grads are employed and 65 are not.

There are 65 William & Lee Grads employed and 55 William & Mary Grads that are unemployed again assuming these numbers are correct. 

I could manipulate these numbers a variety of ways to say whatever I want though. I.E more than 50% of William & Lee Grads did not find employment while 73% of William and Mary Grads did.

Or I could say 148 William & Mary Grads found Employment while only 65 William & Lee Grads found work.

On and on and on. You can manipulate statistics to say whatever you want really and again the truth is that there are plenty of people who found employment from both schools and plenty that did not. Again, these has a lot more to do with the individual than the name of the school on their diploma.

Personal Statement / Re: Personal Statement Help Please :D
« on: November 14, 2013, 12:49:26 AM »
Excellent comments Miami.

A judge once told me imagine writing a word costs $100. This was excellent advice and being able to say a lot with few words is how to become an effective lawyer and writer.

Good Luck

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-ABA approved Test Takers
« on: November 14, 2013, 12:40:24 AM »
Agree 100% you don't want to spend 3 years of your life and thousands on tuition only to be denied a bar admission ticket and saying some internet poster told you it was ok. Take everything here with a grain of salt and contact your state bar.

Washington and Lee / Re: Washington and Lee Graduates Salaries Decline
« on: November 14, 2013, 12:32:38 AM »
If 47% of graduates found jobs from Washington & Lee it is certainly possible to find a job and 27% of William & Mary Grads are not working. Again as I always say graduates rarely report their salaries or give routine updates, but even assuming these numbers are 100% accurate it means 61 Washington & Lee grads are employed while 55 William & Mary Grads are employed. A nice little way of manipulating statistics to say what you want.

Quite clearly people from W & L succeeded and William & Mary do not and vice versa. As always the individual person will have a lot more to do with their success than the name on their diploma. 130 Grads from W & L 47% of 130=61 204 Grads from William & Mary 27% = 55

Personal Statement / Re: Personal Statement Help Please :D
« on: November 12, 2013, 09:57:02 PM »
I think growing up as a refuggee and being Indian is more than sufficient for a diversity statement. The majority of law students are White Americans who faced very little adversity so I would recommend a diversity statement, but contact any school you are interested in to ensure your topic is appropriate I imagine they will tell you it is, but they are the ones making the decisions and any poster on myself included are just some people on the internet whose opinions mean nothing as far as getting you admitted into law school.

I think your personal statement is solid, but you might want to get rid of the word I so often it is a bit of a distraction. Also establish you are Tibetian and were an refugee in India I was confused when you mentioned a fellow Tibetian attorney as I initially though you were Indian.

I also think you might want to go into more detail about the challenges you faced in India that is far more interesting to law school admissions officers than volunteering at a law office, which 99% of incoming law students will write about.

You have a unique experience that can grab the attention of admissions officers few law school applicants were refugees overcoming that type of adversity could really be a selling point.

Good luck

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-ABA approved Test Takers
« on: November 12, 2013, 09:27:57 PM »
Solid Post Maintain agreed I think some of the CBA schools do a legitimate job I know Cal Northern in Chico has a number of graduates that pass the bar. Lincoln Law and JFK also do a decent job as CBA schools of getting people into the practice of law, but there are a number of online unapproved schools taking advantage of naive students and if they don't require a bachelor's degree, minimal LSAT score etc it gets to the point of individuals not having the capacity to understand what they are getting into. All ABA schools require college degrees, letters of rec, personal statements etc and the individuals choosing to attend ABA schools are competent enough to understand what they are getting into.

However, I know some schools do not require the LSAT or a College Degree etc and these are essentially money grabs.

Many of the schools you mentioned such as UMass Darthmouth etc will eventually get accredited or at the very least impose some type of restriction on admission.

I personally believe if you are a college graduate and actually sit for the LSAT and get a score, obtain two letters of recommendation and are able to write a coherent personal statement that you are competent enough to decide whether law school is a good choice and any school ABA or Internet Based should be enough to get you a bar exam ticket in any state and if you pass good for you, but I am just some guy on the internet.

Washington and Lee / Re: Washington and Lee Graduates Salaries Decline
« on: November 12, 2013, 08:46:24 PM »
Not to mention people make individual choices regarding how they use their legal education. The issue with issues blanket numbers for law graduates is that it does not account for the endless amount of variables that occur with each person.

As I stated I took a lower paying job because I wanted to be able to look at myself in the mirror and doing insurance defense or asbestos litigation often high-paying, but soul sucking jobs were not on my agenda.

Or a graduate may move to an area region where the lost of living is lower or higher. If someone moves to the New York Market they might make 100k, but if they are paying 40k in rent and 40k in taxes that doesn't leave much. Conversely, if someone moves to South Dakota and makes 60k they will be living like a king.

Again, these blanket numbers are very flawed when dealing with individuals career choices and as I always say if you are able to obtain a J.D. and a law license you have had a pretty blessed life and whether you succeed or not in the legal profession is up to you not your school.

Transferring / Re: Transferring After 1st Semester 2L Year
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:08:18 PM »
Indeed Legend and Spellman I cannot reiterate enough do not get to caught up in the rankings and if your content at your school don't leave. If there is some major personal issue that requires a transfer or family emergency then you might be able to find a way to transfer, but to alter your life over a magazine is not a good idea.

Good luck.

Golden Gate / Re: In Vino Veritas Competition
« on: November 11, 2013, 09:55:27 PM »
Thanks legend and I agree I try to help students out as well some take the help others don't.

No matter what school you attend if you don't follow through your never going to succeed as a lawyer. I also deal with a number of lawyers who fail to follow through and are ineffective and there a number that follow through and are very effective that is really what the legal profession is all about managing your time and responding appropriately it is 90% of the battle and that is something school cannot teach you.

Whether you attend Golden Gate or Harvard your success will be dependent much more on you than the name of your school.

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