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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Who would you hire?
« on: January 28, 2016, 04:22:13 PM »
I don't think they even give grads at some of the T14 schools.

For examplate at Boalt where a lot of my friends went you just get a Pass. If you really nail a class you can get a H (Honors) or HH (High Honors). The top 40% of the class gets a H and the top 10% gets an HH. The rest get a pass, unless they really f'up, but none of my friends said they know anyone that didn't get a pass.

It is not quite the same as other schools with actual grades. I know at my school we got A's, B's and C's and even D's. My Boalt friends were surprised by this and I was surprised by their system, but it just shows how much it varies.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Who would you hire?
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:28:27 PM »
Also, don't forget the fact that people are people and would you rather hire the T4 Grad that finished in the middle of his class, but a ton of people you know vouch for him and the kid is ready to start yesterday. Or a Harvard Grad that lives in Boston and your office is in L.A. and nobody knows anything about this guy or if he will actually get on the plan.e

The hypothetical debate is interesting, but in real life it is meaningless. There are so many factors that go into what will be a good employee-employer fit. I have recently been interviewing at firms just checking my options out and there are some places where it just clearly won't be a good fit. I went to one office where the managing partner allowed cats in the office. (I am the Bay Area so there is a lot of weird stuff) . Anyways, I am really allergic to cats so regardless of school, aptitude etc it wasn't going to work. I hate cats the managing partner loved them.

I could go on with countless analogies and circumstances and is Harvard a "great" school. Yes, but there are countless factors that have nothing whatsoever to do with what law school you attended, especially the further into your legal career you go.

Just to take it one step further, lets say you have the Harvard Grad and the Valedictorian of University of San Francisco and Severson & Werson a firm that specializes in representing Banks is choosing to hire the two. If the USF Valedictorian worked at Banks for three years before law school and the Harvard Grad worked in a Housing Rights Clinic well the USF is a better fit for Severson & Werson.

If it is a legal aid job the Housing Rights Clinic will be viewed more favorable than working at a Bank.

At the end of the day the law school bubble means very little, unless you want to work in BigLaw then the prestige matters, but there are not many of those jobs and a lot of people that get those jobs hate it, but if that is your sole goal then get into the best school you can. Otherwise, use common sense and it will take you pretty far. 

Excellent suggest MacGuffin.

It is a bummer this board is so dead, but at least when a topic comes up there is some rational response and it does fall into the mess that those sites offer.

Well your just describing work. Whether your a doctor,lawyer, salesman the government taxes you and the more you make the more your taxed. Also, the more a company pays you the more they expect from you.

Sounds like you don't like the rat race, but the same thing applies to other professions.

Unless and again I ask this repeatedly, because I seriously want to know if there is an easy to get, high paying, challenging when I want it to be, but never interferes with my personal life then please let me know.

If that exists and I have been missing out on it then your right law does suck.

Well just because it is Friday afternoon I am going to throw it out there 25 of the 43 presidents have been lawyers. Therefore, 25 of the 43 Presidents have been horrible people that attended law school.

-Just historical fact as well although Obama is listed as the 44th President he is actually only the 43rd, because Grover Cleveland also a lawyer was the 22nd and 24th President.

Therefore, there is no more likely profession to become President than a lawyer that attended law school.

Let's continue ranting frivolously on the internet with anonymous people!

Just to add to the flame post for shi*s and gi**les undeniably these two people are awful!

1. Abraham Lincoln


2. JFK

F'ing lawyers freeing slaves and fighting for civil rights. Despicable!

They weren't lawyers. They were presidents of the united states when they did good things. Completely different jobs. They probably went into the law, saw it was horrible, and went on to a better job.

Perhaps they did, but they still went to law school and your whole premise is that anyone that goes to law school is awful. So one way or the other they went to law school, but lets get in a frivolous internet debate its Friday afternoon : )

Just to add to the flame post for shi*s and gi**les undeniably these two people are awful!

1. Abraham Lincoln


2. JFK

F'ing lawyers freeing slaves and fighting for civil rights. Despicable!

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:15:14 PM »
The only problem I see with Bernie is that when he asks the Department of Agriculture to grow trees to give everyone free sh*t and it doesn't work what then?

Bernie says all the right things, but I don't see how he will do any of it. If he proves me wrong that will be awesome, but to me his ideas are about as practical as Trumps, but at least Bernie has a good heart unlike Trump.


Your vague statement about stress, which someone gave a one sentence response to is indicative that law school is a terrible idea.

As Loki said there are about 4-5 people that regularly post on this board, but even we respond sparingly. However, as indicated your post conclusively establishes that nobody should go to law school. Well argued maybe you should go to law school  :)

Job Search / Re: 2L Summer & Post-Grad Employment Search & Alternatives
« on: January 21, 2016, 01:37:43 PM »
Yes the lawyer league is a great thing to do and it was at Hastings for one semester, but you need to tell the school to get a better gym. We boycotted the roof in their blocked more shots than anyone : / . Other than the crappy B-Ball gym though Hastings is a fine school as is GGU, USF, etc.

What you will realize once you get out of the law school bubble is that none of it really matters. You are either going to succeed or not. A T14 degree might open some doors, but a Stanford/Harvard/Yale Gard has no idea what the difference between USF/GGU or Hastings is.

Instead Hastings Grads often hire Hastings Grads, USF hires USF and GGU hires GGU. More importantly if your able to bring in clients nobody cares what school you went to.

In summary, it sounds like you are understandable stressing out you are halfway into your law school career and your entire life is not figured out. However, that is typical and honestly I miss that feeling I am lawyer with deadlines, client meetings, court appearances etc, which is fine, but enjoy law school. You get to read cases, hang out with friends, it is a fun-time in life honestly. I am always in the Phil'z coffee right by Hastings before I go to work and I see all the Hastings students with their Con-Law Books, or whatever and I think man it would be so fun to just really read the cases have a flexible schedule etc.

When I was in law school I thought man I can't wait to have an office, clients, make money, blah, here I am looking back fondly on law school, but as the saying goes the grass is always greener.

The best way to deal with the whole situation is just don't overthink it. You are fortunate enough to be in law school, in San Francisco about 5.9 billion people would trade in their life for yours right now. Appreciate where your at and work hard and just do common sense things.

Apply to jobs, use career services one real helpful thing I used in law school was the BYU Intercollegiate Job Bank it has basically every ABA law schools job postings on it, got to love the Mormons and their kindness :) .

Also if you sign up for the Bar Association of San Francisco, which is $35 for law students I think they just launched their own career center, which has a lot of jobs on it.

Also sign-up for LinkedIn-Premium, the Sacramento County Bar Association etc and there are job postings all the time.

Basically, you are at a stage of your life with a lot of uncertainty it is scary, but trust me if you pass the bar you will find work. It might take a few months, but it will happen at least in San Francisco/Bay Area. I am not sure about other places, but the Bay Area economy is booming right now and there are jobs everyday, but finding a job sucks always has always well.

Anyways, enjoy law school and dont' stress I think back to my 2L and I had the same thoughts you are, but I should have enjoyed it more.

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