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« on: September 10, 2015, 02:07:15 PM »
Or maybe OP will whoop both of our asses in court.
Plenty of people do well from various law schools, plenty do terribly from great law schools, so on and so on. A non-aba school is not ideal.
You also don't know what the class schedule is or what days they have to be there.
Essentially, you don't know anything about her life.
What if you got offered a job in South Dakota for $250,000? Would you take it? I would not, but perhaps you would, maybe OP would. It is a chance that many people would jump at, others would not even consider, etc.
Basically everyone wants different things and has different priorities.
You cannot possibly know what is best for OP and she couldn't call you an idiot for not taking the $250,000 job in South Dakota.
Everyone considering any law school needs to consider what is best for them, because each person's story is unique.
Is an ABA school better than a non-aba school? Yes.
Is Harvard a better ABA school than University of San Francisco? Yes.
Should someone uproot their whole life to attend an ABA school or Harvard instead of a non-aba school or less elite ABA school the right decision? It depends. (For some absolutely, others absolutely not, and others have a cost/benefit analysis.
Is making $250,000 better than making $125,000? Yes
Should someone uproot their entire life to double their salary? For some absolutely, for others absolutely not, and others a detailed cost/benefit analysis most ensue.
You don't know OP and she doesn't know you. She is aware that her current school is not ABA approved, she would obviously love it to be, but sometimes you have to compromise in fact most times you do.
« on: September 10, 2015, 01:54:03 PM »
That is a great additional look Ashley if you have all those options I probably would pass up an Ivy League ABA School.
Not everyone fits the exact mold of the typical law student. If you were right out college no kids, no job, no debt you could go to Boston, L.A. San Francisco, Nebraska or New York or wherever to law school there is no obligation. When I was 22 after college I moved to New York for a year, then to China then to Michigan all in the span of 2 years then I choose to attend law school in San Francisco a City I never lived in, but loved visiting and had a lot of friends in.
There is no way in hell I could do any of that now, because I am married, have a job, bills, responsibilities, etc. I have been offered awesome jobs in other areas, but I can't take them, because I can't realistically move.
OP is not the typical 23 year old law student who can go wherever they want. The non-aba option is the best scenario for her and she is making it happen. I am sure she would love to attend an ABA school, but there isn't one around.
« on: September 09, 2015, 07:15:21 PM »
The fact is you don't know how many days it will be and 4 hours one way is 8 hours total. That is ridiculous nobody can do that.
OP can try to get licensed through an online school maybe even through the hybrid program.
It is not an easy road.
OP should contact the state bar they are in and see what alternatives they offer. Maybe if you are in South Dakota a state so desperate for lawyers they are paying them to come there the South Dakota Bar might let you sit for the exam if you pass the California FYLSE . Crazier things have happened.
OP acknowledges it is a hard road, but an eight hour commute in a day is not sustainable even in a week.
It is unfortunate that certain areas of the country are not adequately represented.
Alaska does not even have a law school, South Dakota and North Dakota have one, Montana has one, Idaho has one, so on and so on. For people living in non-metropolitan areas that want to obtain a legal education are at a severe disadvantage.
I route for anyone like OP to challenge the system and find ways around it. Whether they succeed or not that is another story, but you can certainly try.
« on: September 09, 2015, 01:34:02 PM »
Driving four hours a day one way i.e. eight hours is a big deal.
Particularly when dealing with law school.
Commuting sucks and 4 hours one way is miserable.
As to the OP's question William & Mitchell an ABA Law School has been approved for tentative online law school. http://www.startribune.com/william-mitchell-law-school-first-to-offer-aba-approved-online-degrees/236314681/
Your situation is a problem with legal education that many 22-25 year old with no family, career, etc cannot grasp. However, this is why pursuing education early in life is ideal, but not everyone does everything perfectly or knows what they want.
There are countless areas in the U.S. that are completely unrepresented by lawyers and states like South Dakota are paying lawyers to move there. http://ujs.sd.gov/Information/rarprogram.aspx
So there are options, but states can impose rules on their licensing requirements, but attorneys that have passed the bar from a non-aba school and wanted to practice in another state have typically won approval to take the exam. This is a huge hurdle for anyone, but it has been done.
Good luck to you.
« on: September 08, 2015, 07:43:54 PM »
A 157 is not super bad it will get you into a number of ABA approved law schools. It is not something to write home about either, but it puts you in the top 30% of test takers. http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/
This means that 70% of college graduates that were motivated enough to take the LSAT get worse than a 157.
People can spend years on various courses hoping to improve their score, but life will eventually pass them by. Do your best and move on from the LSAT. Don't under-prepare, but if you have taken it three times you are unlikely to drastically improve.
Good luck to you and don't listen to anyone that says 157 is a terrible score. It is fine, but far from great.
« on: September 08, 2015, 05:40:04 PM »
Yep solid advice get good grades and don't spend to much money on undergrad, but also enjoy undergrad .
I guess be 18 years old and keep your doors open.
« on: September 08, 2015, 02:15:49 PM »
As others have said if you don't really want to be a lawyer then going to law school might not be worth it.
Your statement of not sure about being done with school is not really a reason to attend law school.
If you want to work in a hospital and avoid litigation then work in a hospital as something other than a lawyer. Become a Doctor, Speech Therapist, Accountant, MBA, etc. There is nothing requiring a J.D. to work in a hospital that is like getting a someone that hates to fly getting a pilots license so they can drive a car. They didn't need to get a pilots license to drive a car and instead they wasted significant time & money learning to do something they don't want to do.
If your goal is to work in a hospital and never be in a courtroom then law school is not the best way to accomplish that.
« on: September 08, 2015, 01:35:54 PM »
Great posts above.
I think shooting for a 169 is probably unrealistic. I hope you get that, but odds are you will not finish in the top 10% of test takers, I hope you do, but I certainly did not get a 169. I actually got your score a 157. I did not get into Harvard, but I went on to get into an ABA school with a substantial scholarship. I finished in the top 10% of my class, passed the bar first time, and work as a litigation attorney, which is what I wanted to do.
My LSAT score never comes up in real life nor do my grades in law school. I wish I could go into court for my injunction this afternoon and saw your honor I got the Witkin Award in Remedies so I win. That would be great, but not real life and frankly I don't know what opposing counsel's LSAT score was nor what grade they got in remedies. It doesn't matter.
What you should do is take the LSAT get a score apply to the schools you have a chance at and move on. I have known so many people in your situation that put the LSAT off forever and put their lives on hold. You could already be a 2L if you stuck with a 157. Maybe you will improve your LSAT to a 159 hell maybe you will get a 169, but most people don't. Conclusion:
It sounds like you have done everything in your power to prepare for the LSAT. Whatever you get on this next LSAT apply don't put your life on hold for this standardized test. Also, the LSAT is stressful, but it is a joke compared to the test anxiety you will face on your first law school exam, then the law school exams are a joke compared to the bar. Then once your a real attorney the anxiety you will have when a client is relying on you to get a result and if you f'up they will suffer real consequences such as going to jail, losing their house, losing their business etc is a joke compared to the bar.
Law is a stressful profession and the LSAT is the baby-step take it and proceed. If your not comfortable with stress then maybe law is not for you.
Here is a good article about how to choose a law school. http://www.legalmatch.com/choose-the-right-law-school.html
« on: September 08, 2015, 01:26:31 PM »
If that works for you then it works for you. Law school is trial and error, but I think one important thing to do that I didn't do my first semester is practice problems.
Those are really the key and how you learn to apply the law. I used Cali lessons http://www.cali.org/lesson
, which all ABA schools provide for free. Then also try multiple choice problems and law school essays. You will do poorly your first few tries, because these problems are meant to trick you, but as my contracts professor said there are only so many tricks they can trick you, so once you learn all the tricks you should be good. .
Another item I used was reading ecasebriefs.com , before I read the case.
Also, don't rely to heavily on hornbooks and pay attention to what your professor says. Professors like Judges are people and have slightly different views and your Civil Procedure professor might think talk about interpleader and think that is the most important thing to know, which means it probably be on the exam more than another Civ Pro professor that thinks knowing the rules of discovery is the most important.
At the end of the day most 1L's over complicate law school and I was guilty of this myself. However, law school teaches you how to simplify matters, which is a skill you will learn.
I think the number one thing to do is read everything the professor says to read, do practice problems and make your own outlines. Creating the outlines in whatever format helps you learn is how you learn, don't worry if X person says you need to do it this way every person has their own way of learning.
« on: September 08, 2015, 01:21:08 PM »
Well graduating college in 4 years is like leaving a party at 10 o'clock so graduating in 3 years is like leaving at 9:00 o'clock. I took a solid 5.5. years and had an amazing time and went onto law school etc.
I don't know that graduating in 3years will necessary help or hurt your law school admission chances. You will be able to work or attend law school sooner and you will have less debt, but you will also less the college experience, which is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
I personally think many young people are always in a hurry to grow up, but I don't think that is always the best option. Saving $20,000 is a plus, but in the grand scheme of your life $20,000 isn't that much.
With all that said I think you are really getting ahead of yourself if you just started college. Focus on doing well in your first semester and enjoying the college experience. Then get through the next semester etc don't plan so much of your future when your 18. You are going to go through a number of changes.
When I was 18 I was convinced I was either going to be professional basketball player or basketball coach and if those two did not work out I would be a cop. I never in a million years even considered law school as a college freshman, but low and behold I become a lawyer.
Many of my dorm mates though they would do something else other what they ended up doing.
So the point is do your best in the moment get good grades to keep your options open, make friends and enjoy the college experience. You are 18 enjoy life a little and don't get so caught up in the future that you forget to succeed and enjoy the present.
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