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Law School Applications / Re: Do I Have a Chance?
« on: December 02, 2014, 08:01:41 PM »
The question becomes what is a good school.

It is untrue that anyone can get into Whittier Law School and they rejected 598 out of 1874 applicants that were college graduates that were motivated enough to actually take the LSAT. (Documentation here)

As to the attrition rate again this is always misunderstood at every school.

The attrition rate is 23% not 52%.

There were a total of 56 students listed in attrition 36 of those 56 were due to transfers, and another 8 were for other reasons often people that decide the law is not for them after one year. Therefore only 12 people actually "failed out".  Here is the actual data

I don't like to see anybody knock an ABA school by listing inaccurate facts. My favorite judge to appear in front of went to Whittier and if you ever appear in his court tell him his school doesn't matter.

Again, the question turns to what is a "good school" and the answer is unique to each individual. I have never met the OP nor do I know OP's goals. There are 200 ABA law schools out there and if you gain acceptance to any of them it is an accomplishment, and any of them will provide you with the skills necessary to obtain a license to practice law.   

OP's first step before deciding what is or is not a good school for their purposes is to take the LSAT and see what options they have.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Took 1st Practice LSAT Today
« on: December 02, 2014, 10:55:46 AM »
A 135 for diagnostic is not that bad, and I guarantee your score will rise.

However, like many 0L's you are not likely to score in the top 90% of test takers and obtain a high 160 low 170 on the LSAT. This is an important thing to realize many undergraduate students that want to attend law school have a hard time accepting it. You are a college graduate and doing well enough in college, but law school takes the all-stars of undergrad and puts them all together, and I root for you, but the odds of you scoring in the top 10% of LSAT takers is 10%.

Again, if and when you attend law school on the first day of class 100% of students are certain they are going to work hard and finish in the top 10% of the class, but again there is only a 10% chance of that happening and 90% of students will not be in the top 10% of the class.

Does any of it really matter at the end of the day?  Not really, once you graduate from law school and pass the bar your a lawyer, and whether you succeed or not is an attorney is up to you and if you got a 180 or 140 on your LSAT will be irrelevant.

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.

Law School Applications / Re: Do I Have a Chance?
« on: December 02, 2014, 10:47:45 AM »
Getting a 170 is unlikely, but I hope you get it. There is nothing wrong with Whittier if you have realistic expectations, and it might even be a better choice than "higher ranked" school if you obtain a scholarship and your goal is to be a D.A., City Attorney, etc. If your goal is to be a partner at Cravath then Whittier will not open that door.

That I guess leads to a bigger question regarding what you want out of law school. If you just want to make a lot money, which many people do then law school may not be the best option. If your goal is to be a lawyer, because you like the pressure of court, resolving conflicts, etc then it might be the right choice.

Regardless of the goal the first step is to take the LSAT whether you attend law school or not depends entirely on that. If you hate the LSAT process then you will probably hate law school, but if you like the LSAT process you will probably like law school.

Good luck.

Personal Statement / Re: Need advice on Personal Statement Conclusion
« on: December 01, 2014, 07:58:57 PM »
It will make little difference, but I know when I did mine I had a final sentence that said allowed me to plug in the name of the school at the end.

You could say something along the lines of I look forward to learning how to assist immigrants with achieving their dreams at  (INSERT LAW SCHOOL). Law School is well known for their outstanding legal education curriculum and I know that if I am admitted there (INSERT LAW SCHOOL) will be proud to call me an alumni.

At the end of the day, however your personal statement means little to your chances of admission. It is based almost entirely on LSAT/GPA.

Good luck on your pursuit of legal education.

Law School Applications / Re: Do I Have a Chance?
« on: December 01, 2014, 07:53:04 PM »
Yes you have a chance at a number of ABA schools with a 3.27 GPA, but you need to take the LSAT. Once you have a LSAT and GPA you will no what your real options are. If you get a 150 or higher on the LSAT with a 3.27 you can get into one of the 200 ABA schools in America. Here is a great article explaining how to choose a law school.

The volunteering in schools is great, but really your extracurricular activities will have little impact on whether you are admitted or not, unless your numbers are in the middle. If you get a 160 and 3.27 there are a number of schools that will admit you without even looking at your application. There will be others where your numbers will put you in the median and they will then look at that type of stuff, and then a school like Harvard will auto-reject a 160 3.27 applicant unless they did something newsworthy i.e. NFL quarterback, Navy Seal, climbed Mt. Everest then they might consider the application.

So basically at this point all you need to do is take the LSAT, and once you have that score you will know if you have a chance. With a 3.27 UGPA you are intelligent enough to do well on the LSAT, but it will be up to you to focus and actually take the test. The majority of people that actually follow through and take the LSAT go onto law school, but the majority of people that end up going are to scared to actually take the test and it never gets done.

Good luck on your pursuit of a legal education.

I thought the majority of schools required between 84-88, which seems to be plenty. You can only learn so much in school and there were probably 10 units at my school that were wastes of time.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: You can now be served by facebook!
« on: November 20, 2014, 08:23:25 PM »
I used it once in trial court and cited this case. Warner Bros. Records v. Golden West Music Sales, 36 Cal. App. 3d 1012

It was kind of a stretch, but it worked. In my case this woman abandoned her property, but did put it into a living trust after six months of searching for her, I filed the lawsuit, and served the attorney that assisted her with forming the living trust who also could not find her. The Judge did not want to notice by publication, and said service on that attorney and recording a Lis Pendens was sufficient.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: You can now be served by facebook!
« on: November 19, 2014, 08:29:00 PM »
Some states like California have special statutes that "basically allow for good enough' i.e. California Code of Civil Procedure 416.90.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: You can now be served by facebook!
« on: November 19, 2014, 10:37:32 AM »
That probably makes sense, but it is still tough to distinguish. Notice by publication is always a remedy available, but I guess as Newspapers die out the internet is the better source to provide adequate notice

General Off-Topic Board / Re: You can now be served by facebook!
« on: November 18, 2014, 07:46:10 PM »
Process servers won't be to happy about this. I don't know how I feel about it, many people are not to Facebook savy, and if proof of service by mail is often insufficient I don't understand how it can be done electornically, especially with all the technical glitches that might occur. Also, many people do not check their Facebook account daily or even weekly.

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