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I assume most people even in "easy" states take a prep course. After spending that much time and money getting a J.D. selling a "bar-prep" course that each school recommends, because of course why would they tell you not to do everything you can to pass is a pretty easy market to sell to.

I personally feel like schools should pay for Bar-Bri or Kaplan and that would probably bring the costs down. It is a genius marketing scheme film Chemerinsky talking for a few hours and sell those lectures for $5,000 or so a pop per student.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 29, 2015, 11:42:35 AM »
I think that is right on point.

At some point there is limit to what an individual can achieve.

For example I don't think anyone questions that Tim Tebow works his ass off and Jay Cutler is a lazy-ass bum, but Jay Cutler is a better QB based on natural ability. 

Or take Shaq he was not known for an amazing work ethic, but he was 7'1 350 lbs and extremely agile. There were many NBA players that worked way harder than Shaq, but had nowhere near his natural talent.

Same with the LSAT there are people that can work their ass off and not break 150, and others are capable of getting a 170 with a half-ass effort. It isn't "fair" per se, but neither is life.

I think most people can take the diagnostic and improve by 10-15 points. I got a 147 on my diagnostic and got up to 157. I didn't take a course or anything and had I done that maybe, I could have gotten to the low 160's, maybe. However, I am not a genius and could probably study from now until the day I die and not break 170. Literally 97%  of lawyers did not get a 170 http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/, so that appears on point.

However, many 0L's and even law students don't like to hear they are not a special snowflake, but that reality hits 99% of us sooner or later

To the OP maybe you will get a 170, and in fact I hop you get a 180, but take the test. A 162 is a solid score and nothing to hang your head at, in fact you will have a better score than 86% of lawyers. http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/ .




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Current Law Students / Crazy how numbers have changed
« on: September 23, 2015, 04:18:02 PM »
In a complete procrastination move I was curious to see what schools my numbers from years ago would get me into so I check out the old LSAC Law School Predictor. https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/ugpalsat/ugpalsat.aspx

It is crazy many schools I was rejected from, which I expected I know have a more than 50-75% chance of admission.

Perhaps there is something to this law school application number dropping. The data out there is lacking best I found was this graph from LSAC http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/three-year-volume, but I would be interested to know how many applicants there were in 2008, 2009 and 2010 compared to 2013, 14 and 15.

I imagine this change has something to do with the the bar decline. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/bar-exam-scores-drop-to-their-lowest-point-in-decades

Well I should do actual work now.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 18, 2015, 01:23:59 PM »
Excellent point Miami.

If you really want to work Biglaw, Clerkship etc then don't go to law school outside of T14.   If your goal is to be a District Attorney then go to law school in the area you want to live and get out with as little debt as possible.

I am close friends with a lot of Harvard, Boalt Stanford, etc law grads. Many of them work at huge firms and really enjoy the prestige, money, etc and don't mind the long hours. That is great for them.

I have other friends from these schools that ended up working for Public Interest Groups, Starting their own firms, etc and they could have easily gotten full scholarships at a school like Hastings, or Boston University, and been in the same position they are without law school debt.

So as Miami says ask yourself what you want. If you want a Federal Clerkship and Biglaw Career then strive to get a 170 and with a 3.93 and great GPA you have that option open to you.

If that is not what you want then take the LSAT and get your legal career started.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:59:55 AM »
I think everyone is different for many I imagine the second time would be easier, just because the pressure is off and the mystery of the LSAT etc is taken away.

Once you go through the process once the nerves are gone and that would probably help on a retake.

I often think about taking the LSAT now for sh**s and giggles just to see how I did with no studying or pressure whatsoever.  The score would be meaningless, but I imagine anyone that has gone through law school would do quite well and have no test anxiety whastoever.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:32:40 AM »
Yea there is no harm in retaking it, but you have to take it the firs time to retake.

To the OP take it and apply and retake it while your application is pending. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose in that scenario, but if you take it two or three times and do not end up with a 170 don't be surprised.  99% of people don't get a 170 or higher and there is a 99% chance you won't either. I hope you get a 180, get into Harvard and finish Valedictorian then get directly appointed to the Supreme Court.  However, I would not  bet a cent on that happening, but hey it could happen, but don't sit around waiting for that scenario, because odds years will pass and you will not have taken step 1.




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General Off-Topic Board / Re: District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:00:49 AM »
Its about 10-15 and who knows what if anything will be required once they obtain my records. I also know if approved I need to go to D.C. to swear in and then also take a Mandatory CLE Course in D.C. so that will be at least two trips to D.C. from California and tack on another 10-20 hours for that plus airfare, hotel, course fees etc it adds up.

Out of curiosity did you get licensed by this other jurisdiction or just transfer your score?

Again is it possible to do? Yes of course, but its work.

I have been meaning to do this paperwork for 2 years, but I only now got around to it. People procrastinate that is what we do and everything technically is easy instead of writing this post I could be finishing up some work, I could call my mom, buy flowers, god knows if every minute of everyday was used productively we would all be millionaires, no relationship problems, etc essentially perfect lives, but humans don't operate that way.

People love to say and think they do, but us debating on an anonymous internet board only proves my point. This is all ofr s**ts and giggles and I enjoy it, but there is nothing productive about it.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 17, 2015, 05:17:20 PM »
Yep unfortunately you have to do a lot of paperwork to make it happen, which is where I am at.

I have all the required stuff, but waiting for the California Supreme Court to give me my certificate of standing and then I need to go to a Notary and then get a Cashier's Check for $400.00 to hopefully get the process started. I have already spent a ton of hours finalizing the paperwork, which is annoying and hopefully it gets done.

I jumped through all the hoops California required, but it was easy when that is your only responsibility. Therefore, I recommend taking the bar in the state you want first and foremost.

Reciprocity is possible and so is my goal of having six-pack abs, but neither has been accomplished yet. : (

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Current Law Students / Re: Are Lawyers Getting Dumber Aritcle?
« on: September 17, 2015, 01:02:27 PM »
In every profession everywhere there are two many applicants.

People even have to apply to work at McDonald's. There are realistically not enough lawyers, doctors, banks, cops, firefighters, businessman, etc go on to Craigslist any day and you will see job postings for any of these professions.

It fascinates me how everyone thinks their specific profession is special, but in reality the there are "to many of X" it is really hard to get a job as "X" or X-school is to expensive and not a good investment or "X profession is changing" so on and so on it is all the same, but everybody gets wrapped up in their own scenario, but the simple facts are that as far as I know there are no high paying, easy to obtain and low-stress jobs readily available to anyone who asks for them.

If it does exist and I just don't know about it please for the love of god let me know. : ) (seriously though if it exists please tell me)

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 17, 2015, 12:56:42 PM »
Interesting yea there are no CLE requirements for D.C and the fee is only $280. I have no real desire to practice in D.C, but I do in Oregon, which has reciprociy with D.C., but not California.  Anyways, hopefully it all works out and if anyone has more info please share.

Trying to get a some law licenses without having to answer a multiple choice question again!

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