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Current Law Students / Crazy how numbers have changed
« on: September 23, 2015, 04:18:02 PM »
In a complete procrastination move I was curious to see what schools my numbers from years ago would get me into so I check out the old LSAC Law School Predictor.

It is crazy many schools I was rejected from, which I expected I know have a more than 50-75% chance of admission.

Perhaps there is something to this law school application number dropping. The data out there is lacking best I found was this graph from LSAC, but I would be interested to know how many applicants there were in 2008, 2009 and 2010 compared to 2013, 14 and 15.

I imagine this change has something to do with the the bar decline.

Well I should do actual work now.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 18, 2015, 01:23:59 PM »
Excellent point Miami.

If you really want to work Biglaw, Clerkship etc then don't go to law school outside of T14.   If your goal is to be a District Attorney then go to law school in the area you want to live and get out with as little debt as possible.

I am close friends with a lot of Harvard, Boalt Stanford, etc law grads. Many of them work at huge firms and really enjoy the prestige, money, etc and don't mind the long hours. That is great for them.

I have other friends from these schools that ended up working for Public Interest Groups, Starting their own firms, etc and they could have easily gotten full scholarships at a school like Hastings, or Boston University, and been in the same position they are without law school debt.

So as Miami says ask yourself what you want. If you want a Federal Clerkship and Biglaw Career then strive to get a 170 and with a 3.93 and great GPA you have that option open to you.

If that is not what you want then take the LSAT and get your legal career started.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:59:55 AM »
I think everyone is different for many I imagine the second time would be easier, just because the pressure is off and the mystery of the LSAT etc is taken away.

Once you go through the process once the nerves are gone and that would probably help on a retake.

I often think about taking the LSAT now for sh**s and giggles just to see how I did with no studying or pressure whatsoever.  The score would be meaningless, but I imagine anyone that has gone through law school would do quite well and have no test anxiety whastoever.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:32:40 AM »
Yea there is no harm in retaking it, but you have to take it the firs time to retake.

To the OP take it and apply and retake it while your application is pending. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose in that scenario, but if you take it two or three times and do not end up with a 170 don't be surprised.  99% of people don't get a 170 or higher and there is a 99% chance you won't either. I hope you get a 180, get into Harvard and finish Valedictorian then get directly appointed to the Supreme Court.  However, I would not  bet a cent on that happening, but hey it could happen, but don't sit around waiting for that scenario, because odds years will pass and you will not have taken step 1.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:00:49 AM »
Its about 10-15 and who knows what if anything will be required once they obtain my records. I also know if approved I need to go to D.C. to swear in and then also take a Mandatory CLE Course in D.C. so that will be at least two trips to D.C. from California and tack on another 10-20 hours for that plus airfare, hotel, course fees etc it adds up.

Out of curiosity did you get licensed by this other jurisdiction or just transfer your score?

Again is it possible to do? Yes of course, but its work.

I have been meaning to do this paperwork for 2 years, but I only now got around to it. People procrastinate that is what we do and everything technically is easy instead of writing this post I could be finishing up some work, I could call my mom, buy flowers, god knows if every minute of everyday was used productively we would all be millionaires, no relationship problems, etc essentially perfect lives, but humans don't operate that way.

People love to say and think they do, but us debating on an anonymous internet board only proves my point. This is all ofr s**ts and giggles and I enjoy it, but there is nothing productive about it.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 17, 2015, 05:17:20 PM »
Yep unfortunately you have to do a lot of paperwork to make it happen, which is where I am at.

I have all the required stuff, but waiting for the California Supreme Court to give me my certificate of standing and then I need to go to a Notary and then get a Cashier's Check for $400.00 to hopefully get the process started. I have already spent a ton of hours finalizing the paperwork, which is annoying and hopefully it gets done.

I jumped through all the hoops California required, but it was easy when that is your only responsibility. Therefore, I recommend taking the bar in the state you want first and foremost.

Reciprocity is possible and so is my goal of having six-pack abs, but neither has been accomplished yet. : (

Current Law Students / Re: Are Lawyers Getting Dumber Aritcle?
« on: September 17, 2015, 01:02:27 PM »
In every profession everywhere there are two many applicants.

People even have to apply to work at McDonald's. There are realistically not enough lawyers, doctors, banks, cops, firefighters, businessman, etc go on to Craigslist any day and you will see job postings for any of these professions.

It fascinates me how everyone thinks their specific profession is special, but in reality the there are "to many of X" it is really hard to get a job as "X" or X-school is to expensive and not a good investment or "X profession is changing" so on and so on it is all the same, but everybody gets wrapped up in their own scenario, but the simple facts are that as far as I know there are no high paying, easy to obtain and low-stress jobs readily available to anyone who asks for them.

If it does exist and I just don't know about it please for the love of god let me know. : ) (seriously though if it exists please tell me)

General Off-Topic Board / Re: District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 17, 2015, 12:56:42 PM »
Interesting yea there are no CLE requirements for D.C and the fee is only $280. I have no real desire to practice in D.C, but I do in Oregon, which has reciprociy with D.C., but not California.  Anyways, hopefully it all works out and if anyone has more info please share.

Trying to get a some law licenses without having to answer a multiple choice question again!

General Off-Topic Board / District of Columbia Bar Admission
« on: September 17, 2015, 10:34:37 AM »
Just curious if anyone has successfully applied for admission to the District of Columbia by motion from California. These are the instructions, which I followed and am about to submit, but I was just curious if anyone went through the process and could offer any insight into it.

I tried contacting them directly and they just said submit the forms, etc.

Anyways, if anyone has gone through the process I would love to hear how long it took, any random thing to be aware of etc.

Current Law Students / Re: Are Lawyers Getting Dumber Aritcle?
« on: September 15, 2015, 05:25:04 PM »
I think a lot of schools do that.

They have ABA approval and schools like TJSL, Cal-Western etc give people a chance that might not otherwise have it. A lot of graduates from these schools succeed a lot of others don't and when they make big investments in their school they need to fill seats.

You can even see in the statistics in 2009 for example TJSL has 2,982 applicants and they only offered admission to 1,329 applicants.  This means they rejected more than 50% of applicants, because they were flush with very qualifeid applicants in 2009. Their median was 3.03 and 151 LSAT by no means amazing, but most people with a 3.0 GPA and 150+ LSAT are capable of passing a bar exam.

Fast forward to 2014 and TJSL has only 2,200 applicants and they offered admissions to 1,613, which is admitting more than 75% of applicants and their admission standards declined from a median GPA of 2.94 and LSAT of 149. this means a substantial amount of people at TJSL had under a 150 LSAT score and less than a 3.0 GP in 2014. These same people would likely not have been admitted in 2009.

Does that mean they are all destined for failure? No, but statistically speaking they have less raw ability.

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