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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cardozo vs Temple
« on: March 28, 2014, 08:45:35 PM »
First remember anything you read on this board or others is coming from anonymous internet posters and should be taken with a grain of salt, my post included.

With that said I think any law student should consider the following factors when choosing a law school (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings about the School; (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; (5) Last and least U.S. News Rankings.

I will apply these factors to your situation.

(1) Location: [/b
This is the most important factor by far when choosing a law school and it looks like all your applications except for South Carolina reflect a desire to live in an urban environment on the east coast, and you specifically say you want to end up in New York City.

Remember that law school does not exist in a vacuum and wherever you attend law school is where you will be spending three years of the prime of your life. Although, you will be busy particularly first year there will be time to have fun and enjoy the City you are living in.

Additionally, during your law school career you will make friends, likely enter a serious relationship, and get an apartment/house you are comfortable living in. You will also make connections near your school.

If your certain you want to be in New York then attending d law school in New York will allow you to experience the City for all three years of law school. You will make connections in N.Y. and you will prepare for the New York Bar Exam.

(2) Cost:
This is certainly something to consider and a definite plus in favor of Temple. However, one thing to be careful of with scholarships are the conditions. Typically they will require you to maintain a 3.0 GPA or rank in a certain percentage. Every law student goes in certain they will finish in the top 10% of the class and thinks there is no way they will get below a 3.0 GPA.

Law school, however is a different animal and there is a strict curve that typically allows only 35% of the class to maintain a 3.0 GPA, which means your scholarship can be gone for years two and three. This article does a better job explaining the system than I can. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all

Also do not be afraid to negotiate for more money with any of these schools. You have all the bargaining power as a 0L, but you lose it all once you enroll do not be afraid to ask for another 5-15k. Worst thing that will happen is they will say no.

(3) Personal Feelings about the school:
Each school has a culture to it and whether you like it or hate that culture is something only you can answer. I strongly encourage you to visit Cardozo, Temple, and any other school you are considering and talk to students, professors, admins, walk around the campus, walk around the neighborhood surrounding the campus and see how you feel.

There will be schools you like and schools you don't and your gut will tell you. Visit the schools and you will come away with a feeling and that feeling is something you should really listen to.

(4) Understanding Legal Education:
No matter what ABA school you attend you will learn the same thing. Your first year will consist of (1) Torts; (2) Contracts: (3) Civil Procedure: (4) Property; and LRW. In these courses you will read supreme court cases and learn bluebook citation.

Both Temple and Cardozo will provide you with a solid legal education as well any of the other schools you have applied to.

(5) U.S. News Rankings:
Remember this is a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion nothing more nothing less. It should not be the basis of a life altering decision such as where to spend three years of your life, $100,000 of your money, and develop the foundation of your legal career.

Realize U.S. News ranks more than law schools Albuquerque, New Mexico is the best place to live according to U.S. News. http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live . I imagine you will not be moving to New Mexico based on this ranking and use the same logic when choosing a law school.

You can certainly use it as a tie breaker, but this should be the last factor in your decision.


Conclusion:

Neither I or anyone else can possibly know what the best decision for "you" is. The reality is you will never know what the "right" decision is. When making the choice of what law school to attend there will always be a "what if" factor. Making a commitment is difficult, but that is the first step to becoming a lawyer.

It is a tough decision as location definitely favors Cardozo, but costs favors Temple. I encourage you to negotiate more scholarship money and visit the schools to see what you come away with financially and from your visits.

Good luck.





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These are very interesting schools to be choosing if you plan to work in L.A. I think you are making the common mistake many 0L's do when choosing a law school, the same ones I did and placing emphasis on what a for-profit unregulated magazine thinks about a school and forgetting to use common sense.

Frankly if your goal is to be a solo practitioner in L.A. attending school in Minnesota does not make a lot of sense. San Diego to L.A. is doable, but if you want to be in L.A. why not attend school in L.A.

With that said I want to give you an analysis of five factors   I think any 0L should consider when choosing a law school, and I will apply them to your situation.

Factors: (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings about the school; (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; and (5) Last and least U.S. News Rankings. I will analyze these factors to your situation below

1.Location:
This is something law students really do not consider and it is by far the most important thing. Remember law school does not exist in a vacuum and you will be spending three years of the prime of your life were you attend law school. Additionally, your connections will be made in the area you attend law school and more likely than not you will end up taking the state bar in the state your school is located in.

There is also the reality that if you spend three years somewhere odds are you will end up there. If you attend Minnesota you will make friends, possibly get into a relationship, get an apartment you like, etc and the longer you stay somewhere the harder it is to leave.

In your situation Minnesota and San Diego are two extremely different places. It sounds like your ultimate goal is to end up in L.A. and you are more likely to achieve that by attending school in San Diego than Minnesota. There is probably still time to apply to a school like Southwestern in L.A, which will give you the best shot at making connections in L.A. I think Pepperdine and LMU closed their applications, but it never hurts to ask.

I do not know anything about you or your situation, but just really think of the reality of the differences between Minnesota and California that will matter, what some magazine "ranked' a school will not.

2. Cost

Scholarships are great and out of state tuition at Minnesota is 43k and California Western tuition is 42k so roughly equal. I am sure living expenses in San Diego will be much higher than Minnesota though.

With that said you need to check the scholarship conditions. I imagine the schools require you to maintain a 3.0 GPA or finish in the top 35% of the class or some stipulation at the end of your first year. I'm sure you think getting a 3.0 will be easy you were smart enough to get a scholarship at an ABA school and probably got 3.0's in undergrad without trying.

Law school however, is completely different and 100% of the students are smart, hard-working, motivated, and sincerely believe they will finish in the top 10% of the class on the first day, but obviously 90% will be wrong. To retain a 3.0 typically you need to finish in the top 35% of the class first and that means there is a 65% chance you will not retain your scholarship years 2 and 3.

Really check the conditions and if they are not favorable negotiate for better ones. This NY times article does a better job explaining the system than I can. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

3. Personal Feelings about the School:

Each law school has a culture to it and whether you like that culture or not is a question only you can answer. If your going to make a 3 year and $100,000 commitment you should visit the schools talk to professors, admins, students, walk around the campus, the library, the neighborhood and see how you feel about it. Maybe you will love Cal Western maybe you will hate it.

I know I visited many schools as a 0L some I liked others I didn't. You may like what I hated and vice versa this is your life decision and what you like is a question only you can answer.

4. The Reality of Legal Education:
It is all the same at an ABA school. Whether you attend Minnesota or Cal Western your first year will consist of Torts; Contracts; Property; Civil Procedure; and a LRW class. You will read supreme court cases and learn about blue book citation. The law is law wherever you are and at the end of three years you will sign up for BarBri or Kaplan to help you prepare for the bar exam.

Bottom line no school really does a "better" job of teaching the law. In Torts you will learn the elements of negligence (1) Duty; (2) Breach ; (3) Causation; (4) damages.  In Contracts you will learn promissory estoppel, the mailbox rule etc. The list goes on and one.

5. U.S. News Ranking:
So many students make the mistake of making life altering decisions based on this magazine, but remember it is an unregulated for-profit magazine offering an opinion nothing more nothing less. Realistically I had no idea Minnesota was ranked high and frankly I could care less as could most people. In Minnesota University of Minnesota will carry a lot of weight, but people in California will not care.

By example realize U.S. News ranks more than law schools Albuquerque, New Mexico is the #1 best place to live. http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live.

Are you going to move to Albuquerque because U.S. News ranked it #1? I assume it will not and use the same logic when choosing a law school. Sure it's great U.S. News ranked Albuquerque New Mexico #1 I am sure there are some real positive things about the place, but I would not make a life altering decision of where I am going to live based on the magazine.

On the same note do not make a 3 year, $100,000, and career altering commitment based on a magazine. Once you are out of the law school bubble you will realize how little it matters, but I know when you are in the bubble it seems really important.

Conclusion:
I am just an anonymous internet poster as is anyone else on this board or others. I certainly cannot tell you what the "right" answer is. Minnesota may be a great choice or Cal Western may be a great choice it is unpredictable. However, if your goal is to end up in Southern California attending law school in Southern California is the best way to end up in Southern California.

Many law students over complicate things, but do not forgot the tool of common sense it is very effective in law school and the practice of law.

Good luck on your pursuit of a legal education.



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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UW v UC Davis v BC v Fordham
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:30:12 PM »

(5) U.S. News Rankings:

I am not sure if you are taking this seriously or not, but if you are stop now. Remember U.S. News is nothing more than a for-profit, unregulated magazine, offering an opinion. That should not be a huge factor on deciding where you are going to spend three years of the prime of your life; $100,000+; and set the course of your legal career.

Remember U.S. News ranks for than law schools. The #1 place to live according to U.S. News is Albuquerque, New Mexico http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live . I imagine you are not going to move to New Mexico because U.S. News said it is the #1 place to live. Use the same logic when choosing a law school, I nearly choose my law school based solely on rankings, but people took the time to tell me how stupid that would have been and I am very thankful everyday they did, which is one of the main reasons I enjoy posting on this forum and responding to questions such as yours.

Hopefully, you are not as naive as I was and are not basing your decision on this magazine, but if you are stop now.

Conclusion:
Neither I or any other anonymous internet poster or magazine can possibly tell you what school is "right" for you.

If you want to be a public interest lawyer in California I strongly encourage you to attend law school in California and preferably as close to the location as you want to live in as possible. If you want to be in Southern California attend law school in Southern California.

If you want to be in the Bay area attend law school in the Bay Area.

Nor Cal Davis or McGeorge.

I also encourage you to try and apply to a few more schools to obtain significant scholarship money there might still be time. Even if you never intent to enroll you can use other scholarships as a negotiation tool with Davis or UW. Remember if a school accepts you they want you and if you have bargaining power until you enroll. Once you enroll though your bargaining power is gone.

Feel free to PM me if you want to ask any follow-up questions. Or just continue posting on this board there are a lot of great posters here.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UW v UC Davis v BC v Fordham
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:29:22 PM »
Before I say anything realize that anything you read on this board or others is nothing more than advice from anonymous internet posters. Therefore, it should be taken with a grain of salt my post included.

With that said I am a Public Interest Lawyer in California and I have a little insight to offer. As for the actual schools the only one I am familiar with is Davis.

With that said I want to break down a few factors that any incoming law student should consider when choosing a law school and offer a few suggestions, but take them or leave them it is nothing more than anonymous internet advice.

Factors to consider when choosing a school

I believe any 0L should consider the following factors in this order when choosing a law school. (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal feelings about the school; (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; (5) last and least U.S. News.

Below is an analysis of why the factors are important applied to your specific situation.

(1) Location:

It appears you made one of the potential pitfalls I did as 0L and did applied to schools all over the country. It is important to understand how important the location of your school is particularly if you want to end up in a particular area.  If I am reading your post correctly you want to end up in California and therefore, should attend a California school.

There are several reasons the location is important first law school does not exist in vacuum. Davis, Boston, Manhattan, and Seattle are very different places. No matter school you attend you will be there for a minimum of three years and although law school is stressful you will have a life outside of school. If you are someone that hates small towns Davis will not be a good experience and if your someone that hates living in the big city Fordham will not be a good experience.

You are also likely to stay wherever you attend law school. The three years you are in law school are generally the prime of your life I assume you are in your early to mid 20's like most law students. Therefore, wherever you attend law school is really where you will become more of an adult. You will likely enter into a serious romantic relationship, make friends, get an apartment you like, and the more of a life you build in X city during law school the harder it will be to leave merely on a social level.

It will also be difficult to leave on a professional level, particularly if you are interest in public interest law. This is true for the following three reasons (1) State Bar; (2) Internships during school; (3) Public Interest recruiting practices these factors will be analyzed below.

State Bar
Whether you attend Davis, Boston, Washington, or Fordham there will be four seperate state bars each with their own nuances. If you want to take the California Bar it will be easier to have a life setup in California and have studied some of the nuances of California law. If you want to be in Washington the same factors apply to the Washington bar so and so on.

Many people think they will eventually take 2-3 bars, but trust me after one most people never want to deal with it again. The bar exam is a horrible experience and once is enough for most people assuming you pass the first time.

(2) Internships during school:
If you attend law school in Fordham, Washington, or Boston it will literally be impossible 9 months of the year to do an internship at a firm in California. You simply cannot fly across the country to work at a non-profit or government agency during law school.  You are also not going to make connections in California if you are in New York or Boston. Instead you will make connections in New York and Boston.

(3) Public Interest and Recruiting Generally:
Piggy backing on to number two law firms in California are not going to recruit outside of California. Law firms in NY are not going to recruit outside of NY. There are exceptions, but there are a number of schools in their backyard why bother flying someone out or worrying that they will not actually commit to moving out when there are plenty of people already established in California they could interview. If you are a Harvard, Yale, Stanford, grad maybe exceptions will be made for some of the big firms.

If you want to be a public interest lawyer however, they all have tight budgets. They will certainly not fly you out or most public interest law firms are very community based and want someone local. In a town like Davis for example the public interest firms in the Bay Area or Northern California are going to want people that are local to attend community meetings not somebody from Manhattan. Conversely, Manhattan is not going to want some Davis Farm Kid organizing their community efforts. Just the reality of public interest/government work.

If you really want to be a public interest lawyer in California attend law school in California.

(2) Cost:
It is great you received scholarship money from a few schools, and that you are asking for money. Keep doing that worse they will say is no.

Another thing to careful of with scholarships are the conditions. Most schools will say something along the lines of you need to maintain a 3.0 GPA to keep your scholarship. Your a smart kid you were accepted into ABA schools with scholarships and I imagine getting a 3.0 in undergrad was a breeze.

That will not be the case in law school. Everyone in your class will be smart, motivated, and hard working. 100% of your classmates will sincerely think they will be in the top 10% the first day of class, but 90% of them will not simple math.

This is relevant, because law school is graded on a curve and typically only 35% of the class can have a 3.0 GPA at the end of first year. This mean there is a 65% chance you will lose your scholarship for years two and three. This NY times article does a good job explaining the system. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Really ask detailed questions about the scholarship conditions.

Also consider cost of living Fordham is estimated at 25K per year Davis is 15k per year. That is a 30k difference and realistically I think your going to spend more than 25 per year living in Manhattan unless you are living in a tiny studio in a less than safe neighborhood.

I don't know if it is to late, but you might want to apply to some of the other California Schools if you got into these schools you can likely get a full-ride scholarship at several schools. If you get a full-ride it will be a lot easier to go into public interest law. A few schools that come to mind in socal that you get full rides from are Chapman, Southwestern, and Pepperdine (maybe). In the Bay Area Golden Gate (full ride); Hastings has a good LRAP program; McGeorge you could probably obtain a full-ride as well. 

Something to think about.

(3) Personal feelings about school:
I was accepted to a number of school as a 0L and visited almost all of them. I also competed in national mock trial competitions and visited a number campuses and interacted with students from various schools. I can tell you each school has a culture to it some schools I hated and others I loved, but those were my personal feelings.

You should visit any school you are interested in talk to students, professors, admins, walk around the campus, the neighborhood, and see how you feel. Each school will give you a different reaction some will be positive others negative, but that initial interaction is crucial. Your gut will know if it is a fit or not and nobody knows better than you what a good fit is. So I encourage you to visit all the schools you have been accepted to and if there is time some of the schools you might be interested in applying to.

(4) Understanding the Reality of Legal Education:
Any ABA school will provide you with an excellent legal education. The first year at any school you will take (1) Torts; (2) Civil Procedure; (3) Property; (4) Contracts; and (5) Crim law; Crim pro; or Con Law 1L. They switch those final three up between 1L and 2L. In these courses you will read Supreme Court cases and these will all be the same. You will read Pennoyer v. Neff in Civ Pro to learn notice; Palsgraff in Torts to learn proximate cause; the hairy hand case in contracts;

There might some slight variations state by state i.e. in California almost every school offers community property, which is a California body of law routinely on the bar exam. New York does not have community property so they will not teach that, but that is a nuance issue. The reality is Davis, Fordham, BC, Seattle will all provide you with a quality legal education.


 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Possibilities
« on: March 23, 2014, 11:53:25 PM »
Maybe, but take the LSAT again and see what you come away with.

Also do not get to obsessed with the rankings remember U.S. News is nothing more than a for-profit, unregulated, magazine offering an opinion. The top 100 schools change every year based on absolutely nothing and more importantly nobody cares whether the law school you attend is 84th or 112th. If you attend Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc it will make a difference. Nobody however, cares whether Gonzaga is ranked higher than Florida International.

Gonzaga will open more doors on the west coast specifically Washington while Florida International well open more doors on the east coast specifically Miami. If you want to live in Florida after graduation attend Florida International. If you want to live in Washington after graduation go to Gonzaga. The ranking will mean nothing.

With a 3.4 and URM status you can likely get into a few ABA schools, but if your getting a 145 on the LSAT you way want to consider whether law school is right for you. Remember you will need to take the Bar Exam upon graduation, which is a far more difficult and strenuous standardized test than the LSAT.  Plenty of people with sub 145 LSAT scores have gone on to pass the bar exam, but if standardized tests are difficult for you might want to evaluate law school. Law school and the bar exam is nothing, but standardized tests.

I want to conclude by saying it takes a lot of courage to take the LSAT I do not know how many people I have met who say they plan on taking the LSAT, but never get around to it. Putting yourself out there is something you should be proud of whether law school works out or not, and I encourage you to retake the LSAT again to prove to yourself law school is the right fit and more importantly open more law school doors.

Good luck!




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Law School Applications / Re: About to take the Next Step
« on: March 22, 2014, 05:06:21 PM »
Will first thing you need is to setup an LSAC account, but I imagine you did that if you took the LSAT.

The only documents you will actually need to apply to law school are (1) Official undergrad transcripts; (2) LSAT score; (3) Letters of Recommendation; (4) Personal Statement; (5) Some schools require additional essays. Here is the future JD students LSAC link. http://www.lsac.org/jd

For financial aid purposes fill out FAFSA for the year you will be attending and use all the schools you are applying to. http://www.fafsa-application.com/preparer.php/?s=GOOGLE&gclid=COaN4JWEp70CFcRefgodrDcAjw

One other thing that is useful for law school applicants is to attend or at the very least register for LSAC forums. This year they are going to Atlanta, San Francisco, Boston, Chicago, Houston, L.A, Miami, New York, D.C. and Toronto. Here is the link for the forums http://www.lsac.org/jd/choosing-a-law-school/forums-and-other-events . Even if you just register with your LSAC number for these forums you will get numerous recruitment e-mails and application fee waivers from law schools around the country. If you can atten more fee waivers will come in particularly if you just sign your LSAC number into booths. When I was a 0L I think I literally signed in at every booth from Harvard to Cooley and got 125 law school fee waivers. Still a $12 processing fee to apply, but it saved me thousands on applications.

I applied to a number of schools and was accepted at many with scholarships and used that to negotiate with a number of schools. In then end I got a 75% scholarship from the law school I attended and graduated from. There are a lot of ways to make the system work for you, but it just takes a little effort.

I still paid $50,000+ for law school and I hate paying tuition for anything, but still better than $150,000.

This board has some great posters on it so continue to post on the process and many people will be eager to help you with the process.

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education it can be a very rewarding career.
   
 
   
   

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Law School Applications / Re: steps
« on: March 20, 2014, 01:34:15 AM »
Take the LSAT when you have time to study summer between junior and senior year is probably best. Also remember you can take the test again and again without any real consequence. The majority of schools do not average LSAT scores anymore.

To take the LSAT you will need to create an LSAC Profile and keep that active. Try to obtain a few professors, employers, that will agree to write you letters of recommendation when the time comes. Think about some personal statement topics. Also obtain official transcripts that you can submit to LSAC.

Really all you need to apply to law school is listed below.
(1) Undergraduate degree preferably a 3.0 or above GPA.
(2) LSAT score
(3) LSAC account
(4) Official Transcripts
(5) Letters of Recommendation
(6) Personal Statement
(7) Some schools have required additional or optional essays as well.

One other helpful hint that can save you a thousand dollars or so and might give you a 1% boost on your application is attending LSAC forums. If you have an LSAC account go to every booth of a school you are even remotely interested in and you can check off the box you talked to an admissions officer and more often than not you will get a fee waiver, which saves you between $60-$100.00.

Good luck in your pursuit of a J.D.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UK vs. UL vs. $NKU
« on: March 17, 2014, 01:41:39 AM »
First realize any information you receive on this board or others is coming from anonymous internet posters and should be taken with a grain of salt, my post included.

With that said I think any 0L needs to consider the following factors (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings about the school (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; and last (5) Employment stats/U.S. News Rankings.

Each factor is analyzed to your situation below.

1) Location
It sounds like you have it narrowed down to the state, which is great. Many 0L's are looking at schools all over the country, but knowing Kentucky is the place for you is a big step in the right direction.

However,  between Highland Heights, Lexington, and Louisville are different cities and no matter what school you attend you will be living in that City for three years. Additionally, if you want to work in Lexington or Louisville you will be able to intern during law school at Lousiville firms if you attend Louisville. A 70 mile drive for an internship in Lexington would be tough.

If you prefer any of the three cities attending law school there might be the best bet. Odds are you will find employment near your law school and more importantly you are going to spend three years of the prime of your life around that campus.

2) Cost

Northern Kentucky
NKU offers in state tuition 15k per year and an 8k scholarship means 7k per year.

Tuition:
In-State 15k per year - 8k scholarship=7k per year x 3 = 21,00.

Living Costs:
10K living costs on campus x 3= 30,000
16k per year off campus x 3= 48,000
Law school is three years so total

NKU Total Cost
51,000 on campus
69,000 of campus.

Kentucky
18k per year in state x 3= 54,000

Living Costs
15k per year x 3= 45,000

Kentucky
Total Cost = 89,000.

Louisville
In-State tuition 16k x 3= 48,000
Living costs 18,000 x 3 = 54,000

Louisville Total Costs:
92,000

Scholarship Conditions & Negotiation:
For NKU you need to pay attention to the scholarship conditions if any. Many schools require a 3.0 GPA, which was likely easy to get in undergrad, but most schools only allow 35% of their first year class to have a 3.0 GPA. This means there is a 65% chance you will not keep your scholarship for years 2 & 3. This N.Y. Times article explains the situation far better than I can. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Also do not be afraid to negotiate for scholarship money from Kentucky or Louisville. These schools want you to attend and they might take 5k off if you ask and say I am really considering Kentucky and vice versa.

Bottom line ask detailed questions about the scholarship at NKU and ask for more money from them and the other schools. You have all the leverage until you enroll in the school, but you are an over qualified student, which is the scholarship is being offered and don't be afraid to negotiate for more.


(3) Personal Feelings about School:

This is very important each school has a culture and feel to it. When I was a 0L I visited many schools some I hated others I loved, but those are my personal feelings. You may very well hate what I loved and vice versa. Therefore, it is very important you visit the schools talk to professors, admins, students, walk around campus and see what school gives you a good gut feeling. That feeling should be listened to it is $100,000 of your money, three years of your life, your legal career, and nobody knows better what works for you better than you.


(4) Reality of Legal Education

It is important to understand at any of these schools you will learn the same exact thing. Your first year will be Torts, Contracts, Property, and Civil Procedure. In these courses you will read Supreme Court Cases and they do not write separate opinions for different schools. At the end of the day the law is the law.


(5) U.S. News and Stats

If all else fails look at the magazine and employment stats, but remember that U.S. News is a for-profit, unregulated, magazine offering an opinion. They rank more than law schools and Albuquerque, New Mexico is the best place to live according to U.S. News. http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live . I imagine you are not going to move to New Mexico based on this ranking.

Use the same logic when choosing your law school. A magazine saying something doesn't make it true.

As for the employment stats no school guarantees you a job and more importantly the actual accounting of graduates is terrible. After you get through law school, pass the bar, and are working 50-70 hours a week you are not going to say oh yea I am going to call up career services, fill out a detailed form, give them all my salary information etc, because you just have free time. There is no consequence to not responding to these surveys.

An additional point regarding employment stats is that NKU has a large part time program nearly half the students are part-time. Louisville and Kentucky do not have part-time programs. The typical part-time law student already has a job, interacts rarely with the school, and often does not find a "legal related" position, because they are not looking for one.

Bottom line each student has their own hugely individual story and on top of that if you finish in the bottom 10% at NKU you will struggle if your Valedictorian you will not. Essentially, whether you succeed in the legal field will have a lot more to do with you than the school you attend.

However, you environment, personal feelings about the school, and cost are going to make differences in your life and ability to succeed. Kentucky being ranked 87th will not matter in the long run.

Conclusion:

Congrats on your law school acceptances it is great to have options. There is no, "right' answer and you need to balance all the factors of location, cost, and personal feelings about the school. Do not get to wrapped up in stats they are b.s. particularly when related to something as individualized as student success. Not every student wants the same thing. There will be those that want to help the homeless and others that want to make money at all costs. Nothing wrong either way, but you can measure those graduates the same way they are entirely different people.

Any of these schools will provide you with a great education and give you a ticket to a bar exam anywhere in the Country. Whether you pass the bar exam and succeed will be up to you.

Good luck on your decision and go visit these schools, talk to alumni, students etc. Remember anything on anonymous internet poster boards should be taken with a grain of salt. For all you know I am a crackhead in a public library or a Biglaw partner drunkenly rambling on an internet board. 

To get some real answers and insight you need to talk to real people about each school.







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Law School Applications / Re: Credit check
« on: March 09, 2014, 11:44:33 PM »
Each state bar will have their own criteria generally called a moral character application. Here is a link to the California Bar preliminary questions http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/Forms.aspx if you declare bankruptcy it comes up, but missing a credit card payment is probably not going to prevent you from going to law school.

As for individual law schools make an LSAC account and look at the various applications. Each school has a slightly different form and one might ask about Credit, but back when I was applying to law schools I never remember it coming up.

If you have a judgment against you or bankruptcy they will ask, but like everything in the law just disclose. Having bad credit doesn't make you immoral etc, but lying about it would.

You should call the state bars and schools you are interested in directly to see what they say, but from my experience I have no recollection of any type of credit score being an issue during the law school application process or going through the California Bar background check.

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Law School Applications / Re: Credit check
« on: March 09, 2014, 07:04:31 PM »
I don't think Credit really matters other than for purposes of getting student loan money, but most incoming law students have little or bad credit. Again, if it comes up on an application somewhere disclose your credit, but I doubt anyone would ask. The poor credit score may affect your financial aid package though.

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