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Washington and Lee / Re: Washington and Lee Graduates Salaries Decline
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:42:24 PM »
Is that to surprising?

First Biglaw is on the way out, which where many of the astronomical salaries came from.

On top of that many people choose positions based on things other than salary. When I graduated I had job offers from insurance defense firms that paid far more than the City Attorney job I currently have. I am more than happy making less doing something I love opposed to doing insurance defense and fighting to make money away from someone's family who was killed in a car crash.

As I say to all of your posts there is a lot of individuality to each person's career choice and looking at pure numbers like this is flawed. It is true that salaries are reduced for lawyers and the market in many industries is correcting itself because salaries were astronomical and unrealistic for many years, which is why the rescission occurred. 200,000 homes were valued at 700,000 etc, but reality struck and these drops are occurring across the board.

Is there a school whose salary has increased over the past few years? I would be interested to see that information.

Personal Statement / Re: diversity statement?
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:29:31 PM »
Agree with Maintain this is a good essay and I believe you posted it previously in a different thread. Each school has their own criteria and if your applying to a Jesuit school such as Gonzaga, Santa Clara, San Diego, or USF joining the Jesuit Volunteer Corps might be something you really want to sneak in.

However, if your applying to a school in a highly diverse area and your white it may come across poorly. I think this is a great personal statement, but Diversity as far as I understand it is related to race, but I could be wrong. Remember I am just some guy on the internet I recommend contacting the admissions officer of schools you are applying to and ask if this experience would be appropriate as a diversity statement.

Good luck and great story.

L.L.M. Board / Re: LLM in tax without a JD
« on: November 05, 2013, 08:02:01 PM »
That makes sense I imagine no school offering a Tax Law LLM would be opposed to having a tuition paying  tax professional in their school.

I also imagine the restrictions on LLM's are not as strict as those for a J.D. program so they could make exceptions along the way.

 Out of curiosity I did a quick Google search to determine if the ABA even regulates LLM's, but came up with varying results  does anyone know if the ABA regulates LLM's?

Syracuse / Re: Warning regarding Syracuse Law
« on: November 04, 2013, 09:34:00 PM »
Old post, but interesting insight about attrition. It does seem as though very few schools fail students out and there were definitely a few people at my school that did not seem capable of feeding a cat yet alone passing the bar and none of them did.

I do think education in all facets is becoming to lax everyone is supposed to get a participation ribbion and told how special they are, which I imagine is what is leading to the high rates of unemployment among grads in all forms of education rather than the educational quality or even economy.

The legal profession is tough and many schools I visited seem to coddle law students opposed to prepare them for the realities of legal practice and I think it is institutional laziness and wanting to avoid conflict with students that is leading to a lot of problems in the profession.

I would before requiring all students to pass the First Year Bar Exam as non ABA California law schools are required to do.  Better to find out you don't have what it takes one year in opposed to three years in.

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: New Law School Rankings
« on: November 04, 2013, 08:58:02 PM »
Legend I am pretty sure most people thought Stanford was a joke l until this new ranking methodology came out. It has really opened my eyes and had this been out when I was applying I would have chosen to attend Stanford, but how could I have known possibly known how well regarded it was prior to this new system?

L.L.M. Board / Re: LLM in tax without a JD
« on: November 04, 2013, 08:49:41 PM »
Yea I was under the impression a J.D. was a prereq to an LLM program, but I imagine the best people to ask our admissions officers of the various LLM programs.

I would think having a tax law L.L.M without a J.D. would be a bad idea. Nobody other than lawyers have any idea what an LLM is and without a J.D. it would just seem off, but I am just some guy posting on the internet what do I know.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Distance Learning
« on: October 29, 2013, 09:16:35 PM »
Agreed each state bar has their own rules and you don't want to go through law school only to find out you cannot get licensed or have to go through a Supreme Court battle to obtain a license.

California is probably the most liberal of states when allowing individuals to take the exam, but even they have restrictions and they can decide to say no so as Jonlevy suggests get everything in writing and talk to the State Bar before you are interested in joining prior to paying a dime in tuition.

If the school can you get a bar exam ticket then you can get a license and once your licensed you have the ability to practice law and whether you succeed or fail will be up to you.

Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 29, 2013, 09:09:11 PM »
I think there is an east coast bias the world always is usually an overstatement, but  I get what legend is saying. U.S. News is located in Washington D.C. this means they are on the East Coast and therefore the peer assessement/lawyer's judges they use to evaluate are likely on the East Coast.

U.S. News does not conduct site visits of any schools and it is all based on paper and numbers. Obviously schools with closer proximity to D.C. will have more alumni connections etc to those publishing the magazine.

Use Hofstra for example 2.59-3.59 GPA LSAT 153-159

Chapman Southern California ranked lower than Hofstra despite 3.2-3.6 GPA (higher on both ends) LSAT 154-160 (higher on both ends)

McGeorge 3.1-3.67 LSAT 152-160 again ranked lower than Hofstra. chart to prove it.

Remember 40% of the rankings is based off people filling out scantrons and people vote with what they are familiar with and U.S. News does not have the resources nor are they required to scour the Country for the most in depth information. They are a magazine offering an opinion and frankly they can do whatever they want, but it is up to the consumers prospective law students to use common sense when making a 3 year, $100,000 and career altering decision and realize these rankings are flawed and I agree there likely is an East Coast Bias just like there is in BCS Football Rankings, etc.

Here is a nice wikipedia article explaining west coast bias and I do not believe U.S. News is immune to them nor should they be they are a magazine nothing offering an opinion and evaluate schools based on any criteria they want.

University of the Pacific

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: October 27, 2013, 03:08:43 PM »
Indeed or in the vast majority of the legal profession or any profession if you get results nobody cares where you came from.

Tom Brady was the 199th Draft Pick

The following QB's were drafted ahead of him

 Chad Pennington, Marshall - Drafted by the New York Jets in Round 1, Pick 18.
Giovanni Carmazzi, Hofstra - Drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in Round 3, Pick 65.
Chris Redman, Louisville - Drafted by the Baltimore Ravens in Round 3, Pick 75.
Tee Martin, Tennessee - Drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in Round 5, Pick 163.
Marc Bulger, West Virginia - Drafted by the New Orleans Saints in Round 6, Pick 168.
Spergon Wynn, SW Texas State - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns in Round 6, Pick 183.

None of them are in the league anymore and the only two that had any impact were Chad and Mark.

Tom Brady got results and is going to the Hall of Fame and may be one of the greatest QB's of all time.

The same story can be told in every profession and if you apply yourself in anything you can accomplish great things. Barry stepped up and beat schools like University of Texas, Hastings, University of Florida etc all of them are fine schools, but that Barry team was the best and they won.

There are plenty of books out there, but all you can really do is practice the test questions.

Go straight to the LSAC practice test I think this is the June 2007 LSAT and get as many from LSAC as possible. Keep taking the tests learn the nuances and you will get a score.

Your major doesn't mean much as far as law school admissions, but since your only a sophomore do not change your major decision based on possibly attending law school. A lot can happen in the next two years and you may change your mind or you may not score as highly as you need to on the LSAT. Just don't make life altering decisions in undergrad based on possibliy wanting to go to law school stick with the major you want now.

In the meantime just practice LSAT questions and take a diagnostic test that is the first step and see what you think. Some people sit down for a diagnostic and hate it so much there desire to attend law school goes away in three hours others love it and that really is the first thing you should do sit down and take a diagnostic test use the link I provided. that is an actual LSAT give yourself three hours and take it under real conditions as suggested in the instructions and see what you think.

Good luck.

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