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« on: May 27, 2015, 05:03:06 PM »
Interesting analysis and again who knows. I find it unlikely a prosecutor would take that case in the first place, but in the event a prosecutor did take the case, I believe there are several defenses. First and foremost it is restricting Freedom of Speech and Association., why can't you say you attended a school that you attended and why would you be prosecuted for associating with an institution.
I also think it would violate privileges and immunities particularly if there are licensed NOVUS lawyers out there. It could also be considered a regulatory taking. If X student paid the tuition, spent the time etc and had this education and was penalized for earning it that could also be an issue.
Then as a low test as it is what is the rational basis for preventing someone from saying they attended a school they actually attended.
There are so many issues with that law as applied, which is why I would be fascinated to hear of any actual case where someone was prosecuted for attending Novus or any of the schools mentioned in that list. I find it highly unlikely it has ever occurred, but again if there is an actual case I would love to read about it.
« on: May 27, 2015, 03:17:17 PM »
People make mistakes and professors are wrong from time to time. Additionally, when it comes to bar admission the only people you can believe are the people issuing the license.
There are always a bunch of rumors etc about x, y, z, but never rely on them until you check the with the actual people or organization in charge of making the decision.
« on: May 27, 2015, 03:13:17 PM »
Exactly and if someone went to Novus Law School and held themselves out as a lawyer obtained payment and did not have a license to practice law then it would be a crime.
However, if someone gets a license to practice law in Texas with a Novus Degree then they are a licensed lawyer. I don't know if a Novus Grad could even get a license to practice law in Texas or anywhere, but if they did then they are a lawyer.
Additionally, there are countless City, County and Local Regulations that are never enforced. I am a City Attorney and know there are several misdemeanors in our Municipal Code that are completely illegal to enforce and we don't. If a Novus Grad has been incarcerated for saying they attended a school that they attended then I really want to hear about it.
I would be really interested to read more about, but I find it very unlikely that it has ever occurred. Even if it didn't occur as Novus if any student was arrested for simply attending any of the schools on that list please share it. I am sincerely interested to learn more about how that occurred, but again I doubt it has ever happened, but crazier things have happened in this world.
« on: May 27, 2015, 01:18:20 PM »
Your story involves a Professor who said he attended a University and earned a Doctorate, but he never attended the University or earned a doctorate. He went on to create a forged diploma. That is obviously a crime.
However, attending Novus Law School and saying you attended Novus Law School is a not a crime.
I was actually very interested in learning about Novus Grads being prosecuted for telling the truth on their resume, but it was a pointless exaggeration. The internet is well known for pointless exaggerations and it is probably good for boards like this.
Seriously, if you do hear of Novus Grads going to jail for saying they attended a school they actually attended please share on this thread.
« on: May 27, 2015, 12:12:08 PM »
So to sum it all up if a Novus Law Grad claims to be licensed to practice law and is not then a crime has been committed. Pretending to be licensed when you are not is the unauthorized practice of law and a crime etc. However, even I as an ABA law school graduate licensed in California cannot go into a New York Court and say I am licensed, because I am not licensed in New York and saying I was would be a crime. A Harvard grad that never passed or took the bar is also not licensed and has as much right to represent someone in court as an unlicensed Novus Grad does. If an unlicensed Harvard grad goes int court and claims to be licensed then the Harvard grad committed a crime.
If a Novus Grad somehow, becomes licensed to practice law in a state then they are licensed to practice law. Whether a Novus grad can obtain a license is a question I can't answer, but I do know that attending a school and putting a school that you actually attended on your resume is not a crime. If you claim that the degree you got from Novus makes you a licensed surgeon, therapist, etc again that would a be a crime, but if attended Novus Law School and graduate from Novus Law School then saying you attended Novus law school is not a crime.
In all honesty, if a Novus Grad has been arrested, convicted, etc for telling the truth on their resume then I really want to know more about it and please share.
I would not recommend going to an unaccredited school, but you will not go to jail for it. If Novus is accredited by a state bar or something then more power to it, but I don't know anything about the school other than it is not ABA approved. However, there are plenty of successful California Bar School graduates out there and if a Novus Grad gets licensed to practice law then they have as much right as any other attorney in that state to practice law.
« on: May 27, 2015, 03:03:25 AM »
That is not an answer to the question show me Novus Grads arrested.
The professor claimed to go a institution that he never attended. That is fraud, but getting a degree from Novus is not a crime.
You said Novus grads were arrested and went to jail. I really want that story.
« on: May 27, 2015, 12:49:34 AM »
Honestly, please find me that person that has gone to jail for putting Novus on their resume. That is a golden lawsuit.
Can you provide a link verifying these incarcerated Novus Students? If it has actually happened I would be fascinated to learn more about it.
« on: May 26, 2015, 03:58:08 PM »
I don't think any legal employer would be fooled either by someone faking to have a law license, despite what happens on Suits.
Even if you did lie on it etc, I could not imagine any D.A. anywhere taking a exaggerating on resume case to criminal court. We would all be guilty of puffery on our resumes!
« on: May 26, 2015, 03:15:56 PM »
I find it highly unlikely anyone will go to jail for putting a school they attended on an application.
It may not be recognized by a state bar, but there is no way anyone is going to jail for applying to a job.
« on: May 26, 2015, 12:50:38 PM »
I think there are a few schools in Alabama that allow you to sit. I also know a California Bar School graduate petitioned the Massachusetts Bar to take the exam and was allowed. It does seem like a violation of the privilege & immunities clause to deny a lawyer in one state the opportunity to obtain a license in another.
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