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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 21, 2015, 12:10:30 PM »
Then ask for those dates in a separate letter and be as calm as possible.

Just simply say I would like to request my full student file so I can have the dates for my attempt to transfer as a visiting student. You don't need to say much more than that. If you go into accusatory language etc things don't go well.

So step 1 is get those dates and your student file. All that needs to happen is a simple request for your entire student file. You don't even need to go into specifics about what it is for. Keep it simple.

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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 20, 2015, 07:49:49 PM »
Ok explain that in detail. When drafting these letters be sure to explain what it is you want.

You have had a bunch of statements about medications, records, etc, but I was unclear that was your ultimate goal. Getting your ultimate goal across is the number #1 priority.

You may also see if it is possible to transfer without graduating from your school. It is a step backwards, but it that is another way to get you to your ultimate goal of a J.D.

Don't get lost in the muck your goal is to graduate from law school end of story. There are three ways to accomplish that. (1) Restart at your current school and graduate, but this seems highly unlikely; (2) Be a visiting student at X school and graduate from your current school; (3) Transfer to a new school and lose credits.

Figure out the best way to get one of those three paths and leave the other stuff out of it. Your current dosage, your school not turning over records you requested, the names of your therapists, the details of the events that led to your suspension are not relevant to achieving your ultimate goal so don't bring them up.

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It's good to meet with people and I think you should just ask the typically questions of an interview.

However, law school is a three to four year long process. You should become as versed in the pros and cons of attending law school before pursuing a career in entertainment law. It should be noted that very few if any law students that start with a particular field of interest actually end up in that field. When I started law school I thought I would be doing IP Law, but I took an IP Law class and hated it. I ended up becoming a litigation attorney, which is something I never thought I would do as I was terrified of public speaking before law school.

Definitely, meet and then you should ask what this person did to get where they are. You should also try and sit in on an entertainment or IP law class at your local law school. Maybe even go to the bookstore and read the textbook to get some basic understanding.  You might even want to do that before the meeting if possible, just to have something to talk about.


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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 20, 2015, 04:47:59 PM »
There all kinds of facts that could be brought up, but there is a difference between bringing up relevant facts and irrelevant and keeping your ultimate goal in mind.

All you want of this whole interaction is their blessing to transfer schools and the appropriate paperwork. Focus on getting that done. What they did or didn't do doesn't matter.

You want to keep this as simple as possible not make it complicated. Why do they need to know every fact, detail etc?

Basically all you need to do is say due to my mental health issues, which I am receiving treatment for a series of unfortunate events occurred. As a result of these instances I understand continuing my education at X school is not possible. However, now that I am on a road to recovery I want to pursue my dream of becoming an attorney at a different school. I would appreciate the support of the school to provide any paperwork necessary to assist in my transfer.

Thanks for your time and I look forward to putting these issues behind me.

A four paragraph dissertation about every detail won't help anything. Try to keep it as simple as possible and keep your goal in mind.

All you want is to transfer schools and you need your current school's help. Do not get into any fact disputes etc just get your paperwork.

This is a good quote to live by, "Any fool can complicate things, but it takes a genius to simplify them."

Be smart and keep this request as simple as possible.




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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 20, 2015, 02:55:14 PM »
Before I begin, I would like for you to know that I formally requested disciplinary records from [Law School] in order to aid me in fully and accurately writing this disclosure to you. [Name of Dean], the Associate Dean for Student Conduct, however, has outright refused to send me the documentation that I required. Therefore, this account is solely based on my memory of the events as they transpired. Any mentions of dates are mere approximations, as my recollection what occurred is somewhat hazy given the fact that I was under the influence of untreated mental illness at the time. As follows is an account of my regrettable disciplinary history at [Law School].

The first two sentences bolded and underlined are extremely defensive and hostile.  You are saying they didn't do things for you, but you were the one that caused the issues. Considering your mental health is already in question it is very possible you may not even requested the documents. As Maintain says you are asking for a favor attacking someone that you are asking for a favor from is generally not a good idea.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: No Pre-Law Advisor-help?
« on: May 20, 2015, 11:49:19 AM »
Agree with both posters the pre-law advisor I had was for all intents and purposes useless. Nice enough, but she went to law school 20-30 years ago and had been working as an undergrad professor for the majority of her career. She was nice enough, but nothing she said had any applicability to law school.

As for mental health issues they might be a problem. I would recommend first taking the LSAT and graduating from college if you haven't already. Once you have numbers then you can realistically assess what schools you have a chance at attending.  Once you have that list contact the schools and explain your concerns you can do so anonymously on the phone before applying and see what they say. You should also contact any state bar you are interested in taking and see what if any issues arise with that.

I don't know the extent of your mental health issues, if you killed somebody as a result of them then that is a serious problem. If you were diagnosed with ADD or something not much to worry about.

Also as Loki points out if really bad actions occurred as a result then that is much bigger factor. If you have bi-polar disorder, but you are receiving treatment etc then it really shouldn't be a problem.



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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 19, 2015, 07:20:06 PM »
I also think you might want to sum up your statement.

Really the facts are that due to mental health issues a series of unfortunate events occurred that you take full responsibility for. You are currently under psychiatric care from several mental health professionals and doing much better. Due to the incidents that occurred at X school you believe it is best that you and X school part ways. However, you want to pursue your dream of becoming an attorney and would like the appropriate paperwork/etc from X school to assist with a transfer. You apologize for the situation and wish things could have turned out differently, but your mental health issues created an unfortunate situation, but now that you have it under your control you would like the school's assistance with transferring.

It really doesn't need to be four paragraphs long.

Bad things occurred and mistakes were made. Ask for what you want, which is the ability to transfer schools and be over apologetic to the school. Even if you don't mean it and the school screwed everything up, just get what you need from them move on do well in the legal profession.


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General Board / Re: Transferring T4 to T1 w/ top %3
« on: May 19, 2015, 05:02:43 PM »
Awesome congrats on your transfer. Good work.

Not sure if the whole thing went through or not, but you might want to see if your T-4 would offer you a full scholarship and living expenses instead of transferring.

A debt free ABA J.D. would be nice. If they offer that is be something to consider if they can't do then head to the T14.

Good luck and congrats on your accomplishment!

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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 19, 2015, 05:00:48 PM »
From your prior statements that you trust yourself to be civil etc, but not the school. However, if you can take personal accountability then great.

I hope you succeed and if you take responsibility for whatever happened then good things will likely occur.  However, it does sound like you are working on quite a few issues and perhaps taking a year off or so from school to get all your ducks in a row might be worth it.

The bar exam makes plenty of people that are not pretty disposed for psychological issues snap. Law school is not going anywhere and if you are in aggressive psychology treatment why not finish that first? Just my two cents as an anonymous internet poster.

Again, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors, but this is not a great profession for individuals with major mental health disorders. I sincerely, hope you prove me wrong, pass the bar and have an awesome career in public service.

However, just be careful these incidents sound very, very serious and if I was you, which I am not I might consider taking a year or two off from school.

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General Board / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 19, 2015, 03:25:30 PM »
Blaming everyone else is not the best course of action.

They don't actually have the power to press charges I suppose they could seek a TRO, but I find it very unlikely they would do that and even if they did a school being contacted by a student would probably not be successful.

A law school is not a D.A's office it cannot impose a criminal charge on you.

If you want to say the school is out to get you and blame them for everything that is your choice. If they have really done horrible things to you and handled everything terribly then you could hire your own attorney, but I imagine you had issues. Things went bad maybe the school could have handled the situation better, but at the end of the day an attorney is accountable for their own actions.

I have had numerous assistant and secretaries make mistake and not handle things correctly, but as an attorney it's my job to take responsibility for their actions.

Clients lie to you and opposing counsel will try to put you in a bad situation. This is not a profession for someone that wants to say my shortcomings are X's person or entities fault.

When your in the actual practice of law you are accountable for everything. When you represent a client it is not the Judge's fault, opposing counsel, your secretary blah blah. Bad sh*t some of it out of your control and no fault of your own will happen, but it is on you to deal with it.

Again, if your up to that then pursue a masters in religious studies or something. This is not a profession for passing the buck.

I am trying to be honest with to save you time, money and frustration.  If personal accountability even when it isn't your fault  is something you can't handle find another profession. If it is something you can handle then I wish you the best of luck.



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