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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Federal Courts-One and done?
« on: July 09, 2015, 03:47:06 PM »
I think this main case any lawyer seeking admission would rely on.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Federal Courts-One and done?
« on: July 09, 2015, 01:43:24 PM »
I think anytime someone has challenged admission rules they have prevailed.

If someone is a licensed by a state to practice law they should not be banned from Federal Court.  If Federal Courts only want to hire ABA grads that is a business decision, but preventing them from arguing seems unconstitutional.

I know a non-aba grad petitioned the state of Massachusetts and earned the right to sit for the exam in Mass.

It would also be a violation of a Privileges and Immunities for one state to deny someone the right to at least sit for the bar exam.  Plenty of states, courts, etc put up rules, but usually when they are challenged they are overturned. Whether a non-aba Grad wants to go through the headache of a lawsuit to sit for a bar exam or practice in Federal Court is their own decision and an obstacle.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: CA Bar Pass Rates, Feb 2015
« on: July 08, 2015, 08:38:38 PM »

Stats are always fun to look at, but I personally don't think they mean a whole hell of a lot, but I am a random guy on the internet and what do I know.

When the Stats favor your situation they are great when they don't they are not.

Regardless 50% of the time it works everytime  :)

General Off-Topic Board / Re: CA Bar Pass Rates, Feb 2015
« on: July 08, 2015, 07:20:38 PM »
Interesting I am guess like 8 people at Berkeley took the exam to get a 100% bar passage. I am guessing the few Boalt grads that didn't get it the first time around nailed it number 2.

I personally think bar passage rates particularly February ones where it is typically the part timers, repeaters, or attorneys licensed in other states or those that for personal reasons did not take the bar first time around take the February one.

I don't know how reflective the numbers are of anything, but Chemerinsky can tell his bosses at UC Irvine that he finished no 2 in bar passage above UCLA and Stanford. If you look into the substance probably 9 or so students took it from Irvine, but when your in academica spinning numbers is what you go to do. Meanwhile the administrators at Hastings and Loyola are probably catching heat.

It is all in good fun and congrats to those that passed!  To those that didn't get it the first time around plenty of people take 2 or 3 times and it can certainly be done!


General Off-Topic Board / Re: Federal Courts-One and done?
« on: July 08, 2015, 04:50:53 PM »
It seems like someone could challenge that.  I wonder if that has occurred.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Federal Courts-One and done?
« on: July 08, 2015, 04:10:17 PM »
That is strange. Iif true someone get a hold of Chemerinsky we got a solid Con-Law case on our hands.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Federal Courts-One and done?
« on: July 08, 2015, 03:50:40 PM »
Solid posts, I think once you pass a bar you have the ability to be licensed by any Federal Court, but you have to do the paperwork and pay an admission fee.

In California there are four Federal Judicial Districts and I paid the $305 to get the Northern District (which is Bay are) when I passed the Cali Bar, but I just had a case in Fresno Federal Court and as Loki said I had to get admitted by the Eastern District before I could appear in court. My firm gave me $305 and filled out same paperwork and it was done.

Courts may differ slightly throughout the country, but one thing for sure is there will always be an admissions fee!

General Board / Re: UG transcript/grades/GPA
« on: July 08, 2015, 03:27:47 PM »
Great addition Maintain.

Yea I saw many people in law school as I am sure you did freak out when law school grades came out. When I got into law school my sole goal was not to fail out and I ended up in the top 10%. I think part of that was, because I was not that stressed about doing well. One of the main things law school teaches you is to get out of your own head and not over complicate things.  As most law students do you will read countless articles, post on boards from anonymous internet posters such as this, and spin your wheels in all kinds of ways that don't do anything positive or negative for you.   I could say the F will ruin your law school chances or that you will get into Harvard despite the F. What I or anyone else says on the internet doesn't matter, so don't get to wrapped up in it.

Maintain's primary point is that your not going to get straight A's in law school. I finished in the top 10% of my class and my GPA was a 3.5.  I guarantee you will not get straight A's in law school and if you do great, but there is about a 99.9% chance it will not happen. One thing that I think often hurts law students and lawyers is perfectionism. If you cannot handle failure once in awhile the law may not be for you. No lawyer wins every case, satisfies every client, or gets every question on the bar right, gets a 180 on the LSAT and gets straight A's through law school. You might think you will be the one that does, but it has never happened before and I would bet every dime I have on anyone ever doing that.

Michael Jordan failed in Basketball thousands of times, Tom Brady failed in football thousands of times, if you choose to attend law school you will make thousands of mistakes in law school and as a lawyer, but you have to be ok with that. If your not then law school might not be for you.

General Board / Re: UG transcript/grades/GPA
« on: July 08, 2015, 12:30:28 PM »
One F does not ruin your chance for law school.

If you end with all A's and a F odds are your GPA will be something like 3.8-3.9, which is very competitive.

Honestly, You can have a 2.5 GPA in undergrad and get into law school with a solid LSAT score.

There was a similar post by LOKI I think on the issue of UG and how you should focus on learning and living life in undergrad don't get so wrapped up in the future. Do well, but don't worry so much college is awesome and so is law school, but if you get to wrapped up in the next steps you won't enjoy the present.

So bottom line is an "F" going to help? No. Are your chances of law school ruined? Not by a long-shot!

With that said will you actually end up attending law school? Maybe. College is a time when your goals etc change. When I was in college I was 100% sure I was going to be a cop.  There was no doubt in my mind and never in a million years did I think I would go to law school. My major was criminal justice and there were plenty of people dead set on attending law school that would never dream of being cops or law enforcement, but a lot of those people ended up being cops, FBI, and working for various law enforcement agencies and I ended up in law school.

Things change particularly in college so keep your head up. Do well in undergrad to keep your options open, but don't stress out to much. Focus on graduating, making friends and learning. You will not have a time in life like this again so enjoy it! : ) .

As an FYI here is a list of the ABA, CBA and unaccredited correspondence schools provided by the California State Bar.

I recommend ABA to anyone unless you want to live in a town like Chico, Fresno, or even Monterrey then the local CBA schools might be better than more distant ABA schools.

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