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Boalt's Law School Dean had to resign for "alleged" sexual misconduct his B.A. from Oxford and J.D. from Harvard does not guarantee anything and this could all be a false accusation from a  disgruntled employee or real, but this is just an example to those in the law school bubble who have all these feelings about rankings, etc that once your in the real world, real sh*t happens and success is based far more on "you" than your school.

Law School Admissions / Re: Teacher-Lawyer
« on: March 10, 2016, 01:21:37 PM »
Not to throw a rain your parade, but you can do a lot of hard-work as a lawyer to and there is no shortage of people that will criticize you. In fact, the criticism may be far worse than you experience as a teacher and people you are trying to help may not always like what you are doing. Particularly, when you send them a bill for your services.

This is not designed to discourage you from pursuing the law, I enjoy being a lawyer, but you need a thick skin for this profession as well. If the sole reason you are going to law school is to "help people" that you might want to reconsider, because any profession where you "help people" is going to require you to encounter people that don't want the help. The pricetag for law school is a lot more than a B.A.

With that you can certainly become a lawyer and succeed, but have realistic expectations.

More importantly, step 1 is to take the LSAT if you hate studying for that you will hate law school. Furthermore, if you don't do well enough on the LSAT to get into law school, then you may also want to consider, but just take the test it is costs $100 and a Saturday afternoon, which is a pretty small price to pay to determine if switching careers is an option.

As to schools there are three ABA shools in San Diego USD, Thomas Jefferson and Cal-Western and only one in Phoenix, University of Phoenix this is "not" the online University of Phoenix school.

There are also several schools in L.A. worth looking into, but again before even thinking about any of that take the LSAT and really also figure out what you expect from being a lawyer. You will not be adorned with admiration and feel a sense of helping people every day as an attorney either. Being a lawyer is a job with its pros and cons just like teaching, it is not the golden ticket to ultimate professional happiness.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Law School Offers
« on: March 09, 2016, 08:41:23 AM »
That means your accepted congrats. A lot of schools simply do it through email now.

If they have you a scholarship then that is gravy, but check the conditions on it and try to negotiate better terms.

Congrats on your acceptance!

Solid advice from Duncan and yea many law students over complicate first year. Really that is the hardest part of law school is not letting your mind run wild and using time efficiently. My first semester for example I probably spent 60-70 hours a week studying, but didn't do practice problems or study correctly and that was my worst semester.

I studied less after first semester, and did much better.

As to the CBE v. ABA debate law school is f'ing hard it will not be any easier at a CBE school. In fact, I think getting through a CBE school is probably harder than an ABA school.

At the end of the day if you pass the California Bar you will have opportunities, but it will not be a cakewalk.

Good luck to you.

There are tons of success stories from California Bar Schools. The Mayor of LA went to a law school that was neither ABA nor California Bar Accredited and he has a lot more power and influence than I do as an ABA law school grad.

I also had a friend at my ABA school that was dismissed, she was smart, but did not take school seriously first semester at all and she performed poorly. However, after getting hit by reality she reached an agreement with the school that if she passed the Baby Bar exam that they would let her back in. She passed the baby bar and went on to graduate one year after me and passed the bar on her first try and she has a great job now. So you can be readmitted, but there was clearly a major issue that you need to rectify, which can be done, but you need to be honest with yourself.

As to the question regarding CBA schools many do well in particular locations. For example Cal-Northern in Chico is a great place to attend if you want to live in Chico, because there are no other schools in the area, which means there is a huge lack of lawyers in the area.

Or Monterey College of Law as well as San Joaquin College of Law also work well if you want to live in those areas.

So in summary, yes there are success stories and it is certainly possible you could be one of them. However, if you were dismissed in your first semester you need to really analyze what you went wrong. If you attend a Cal Bar school you will have to take the Baby Bar after 1L and if you don't pass your out. (At least that is my understanding as a random guy on the internet, which means nothing).

Furthermore, you will have to pass the California Bar and I can tell you 1L is a cakewalk compared to the bar exam and if you struggled with 1L and do not figure out what went wrong, even if you graduate you may not pass the bar, which is one of the major cons of Cal Bar schools the bar passage rates are terrible. People do pass from Cal-Bar schools and people do fail from ABA schools, and the test is just a terrible experience for anyone.

The real thing you need to do is figure out what went wrong. You either did not put the effort in, did not understand how to approach law school, or maybe your mind just doesn't work the way it needs to for law school.  I am sure it is probably lack of effort or understanding how to approach law school, which can be fixed, but you need to figure out the issue.

So yes you can succeed, but you will need to take a good hard look at yourself and ways you can improve.

Good luck!

Solid advice above from everyone and I think the last poster really nailed it. The simple fact none of it will matter if you do not do well enough on the LSAT to be admitted into a law school.

I think many 0L's make this mistake of thinking about law school, before they have finished the first two steps to even be qualified for admission, which are graduating from college and taking the LSAT. 

If you don't have an LSAT score or a Bachelor's Degree you cannot be admitted into law school. At this juncture, you should focus on getting the best possible GPA and LSAT score you can. Once that is done you can determine what schools you even have a shot at, and then these other issues can be looked into with more detail.

Loki made a great point in that you will have to explain the academic dismissal, but again if you do not graduate or take the LSAT then the academic dismissal will be the least of your worries.

In summary, you appear to be putting the cart ahead of the horse. Stay focused on graduating with the best GPA you can and then prepare for and take the LSAT.

Good luck!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Chosing a School
« on: February 09, 2016, 09:58:41 AM »
Well first and foremost congrats on your acceptance into law school. Getting into an ABA school is an accomplishment in and of itself.

Secondly, remember that I and anyone else posting on this board or others is an anonymous internet poster that knows nothing about you, your situation, or what is best for you so take anything you read my post included with a major grain of salt. Remember all it takes to post on the internet is an internet connection and I could easily be a crackhead in a public library or the Dean of Harvard Law School you have no idea.

Third you make the common 0L mistake, which I myself made of thinking a "right" choice exists. It does not I was accepted to numerous schools across the country, but you can only choose one. Obviously my life would be drastically different if I choose a different law school and there is no "right" choice, but any ABA law school will provide you with a great education and opportunity to succeed, but there is no way to make a "right" choice.

With that intro I think any law student should consider the following five factors in this order.

(1) Location
(2) Cost
(3) Personal Feeling about the School
(4) Understanding the reality of legal education
(5) Last and Least U.S. News Rankings.

Here is a great article to explain these factors in more detail.

I have to do real work right now : ( but I will post more later. Good luck on your decision.

I will apply these factors to your situation.

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« on: February 03, 2016, 10:53:08 AM »
Well when the interweb drives you nuts, don't respond. Certain people just want to say absurd things to get a response, because in real life nobody listens to them, but on the interweb anyone in the world can say anything they want, and it has as much weight as anyone else.

This thread is a perfect example of that.

Job Search / Re: Testing Period
« on: February 03, 2016, 09:35:23 AM »
I am not sure if this is a 1L summer or 2L summer gig, but as everyone else said it will probably be just a way to get your feet wet. Not many summer law school gigs are that intense in all honesty and particularly if it is an unpaid internship, or for credit class, but you still learn stuff.

As a law student and even the first few years after you pass the bar, you really don't know anything and over complicate things, which I know I did and I am sure everyone else that posted will agree.

I also would not stop your search in February, it is great you have something lined up, but don't put all your eggs in one basket, and if you can get an awesome summer job elsewhere that doesn't entail a cryptic testing period go for it.

I believe you are in San Francisco and I highly recommend signing up for the Bar Association of San Francisco and using their career center. It is only $30 for law students to join for the year.

Also, I know the BYU intercollegiate job bank was awesome, when I was a law student.

Basically there are a ton of options out there and the most important thing for any lawyer, law student, etc is to just have confidence in yourself. You are smart enough to have been accepted into law school and are very capable, but if you constantly second guess yourself it will be tough to succeed.

You will do fine, if you believe in yourself, but that is easier said than done. I know when I was in school and starting out I thought I was screwing everything up, but the longer you do it you realize nobody is inflappable, I mean the U.S. Supreme Court Justices disagree with each-other about the law all the time, and as one of my professors put it law is more are than science.

Law School Admissions / Re: Considering Law School - mid 40's
« on: February 03, 2016, 09:26:42 AM »
Excellent advice above from Maintain and Loki as usual.

As for being to old for law school, the answer is nobody is ever to old, but obviously the older you are the less time you have to recoup your law school investment. As everyone has stated, starting out in the legal profession is difficult your work experience certainly will not hurt you, but it wont' be that helpful as far as being a practicing attorney either.

Maintain makes a great point about LSAT scores and scholarships. You want to minimize costs as much as possible and if you have the option try to get in State-Tuition there are several schools throughout the U.S. that offer very cheap tuition for in-state residents. There are several schools in New York and Florida that offer cheap-in state rates, which are even better than scholarships. If you are not aware many scholarships at law schools are contingent upon you performing well, which usually entails maintaining a 3.0 GPA. 100% of law students are smart, motivated, hard working people that think a 3.0 easy, but law school is a whole different animal, because of the curve and at most schools only 35% of the class can get a 3.0, which means there is a 65% chance you and all your future classmates will not and if you don't maintain the 3.0 your scholarship goes away for 2L and 3L.

Then finally one thing I personally believe is that part-time law school is not a good bet, most people I know that enrolled part-time were not ready for the rigors of law school and failed out, which resutled in a big waste of time and money for them. People "can" do it as Maintain has, but it has been my experience that most part-time students don't succeed. I think if you really want to do it then jump-in fall time and focus on law school, if your not ready for that big of a commitment then law school might not be for you.

When I was in law school there were people in their late 30's 40's that went on to do well. One of my classmates was a long-time journalist for the San Francisco Chronicle, but he knew the newspaper industry was going down and he went to law school. He was 43 when he started law school, passed the bar, and is doing great, but he went full-time.

Also, this is a great article about choosing a law school.

Good luck whatever you decide!


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