Excellent additional point, yes almost every school takes the highest score so you really have everything to gain and nothing to lose by taking the LSAT.
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I see many people do this and continually put off the LSAT, which puts their whole life on hold. It sounds like you have put in a lot of effort for the LSAT. If you really think you put in a good faith effort on the LSAT then take it this Saturday.
Or you can put it off until 2016 and you will likely have the same pre-test jitters and put law school off until 2018. So many people I went to undergrad with put off the LSAT for years and I graduated and pass the bar while they were still putting their life on hold waiting to take the LSAT.
If you do not perform well then maybe law school is not for you, and there is no shame in that. If you get a 150 you will have a few options. With a 3.0 150 there are between 10-20 ABA law schools you can get into. Harvard is not an option, but 99% of lawyers did not go to Harvard.
Basically, just ask yourself will you really put in your more effort next time you take the LSAT or will this situation be the same? If your parents divorced, your girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with you, and were getting evicted from your apartment then you might have enough distractions to put the LSAT off, but from your post it sounds like none of those factors are present.
That is the other thing to consider life throws a lot of curveballs your way, and all those things may come in 2016 even if your really prepared, and put the test off longer.
Don''t make life complicated take the LSAT and get a score. Once yo have a score you can know whether law school is an option or not, and more importantly you will feel relief taking the test. Even if you do poorly it takes a lot of courage to put yourself out there, and actually take the LSAT. Many people spend years talking about it, but never get score, which is really sad in my opinion.
Good luck whatever you decide.
True law schools have a lot of regulations for J.D.'s, but almost none for LLM's so if your goal is to get a LLM you could probably have a felony, but if you are using the LLM to get into a state bar those regulations will not matter.
Miami is right on point.
I had three W's nobody really cared.
Believe it or not admissions committees do not look at every detail of an application. They are human beings and when a few people have to review between 3,000 and 10,000 applications in a few month period they don't review the transcript, personal statement etc in great detail.
For the most part you will either you go in the reject or accept pile based on your numbers, and a 3.7 GPA and 168 LSAT are pretty solid.
If you are really on the fence they might actually read your personal statement and decide to accept or reject you based on that. If after the personal statement your still on the fence they may actually read your letter's of recommendation and make a decision based on that. If your still on the fence they might review your major and the difficult of courses you took to obtain a 3.7 GPA. If your still on the fence after that they might look for W's and an upward or downward trend.
So basically what I am trying to say is more likely than not no admissions officer will even notice the W's.
Studying for the LSAT / Re: Looking for a study partner at the South Bay area @Milpitas, Sunnyvale, or Mount« on: September 18, 2014, 11:13:13 AM »
Good post by Robert and many undergraduate universities have a pre-law advisor so you may want to see if your undergrad has one and see if they can put you in touch with someone studying for the LSAT. Or contact local universities i.e. Santa Clara, San Jose State, University of San Francisco, San Francisco State, Cal State Monterey etc and see if they have pre-law advisors.
The Dean of Monterey College of Law is also a frequent poster on this site and may be aware of LSAT study groups in the Bay Area.
Good luck with the LSAT.
Probably not as long as you disclose what happened.
Plenty of people make mistakes I had friends in law school that had DUI's and one guy had a misdemeanor battery charge before law school. They were up front and honest about it, and had nothing to worry about.
If you don't disclose and they find out you lied about it then you will have a problem, but I think if you are honest it should be fine. It won't help obviously, but I expect it would have minimal impact.
However, the best source of information is the admissions offices they are the ones making the decision. Columbia may have a policy that they do not allow anyone with misdemeanors and if that is the case don't apply there.
You should also check with the State Bar you are interested in taking if any. The New York State Bar may have different rules for criminal charges than the California Bar etc, but go directly to the sources anyone here is nothing more than anonymous internet poster, but there are people that are literally paid to make polices for this kind of thing and they are the best point of contact.
Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.
« on: September 18, 2014, 11:00:21 AM »
Join the club of law school applicants that partied to much and didn't take undergrad to seriously. You did not list your GPA so I don't know what your GPA was, but I imagine like 95% of undergrad students you don't have a 4.0.
If you have a 3.0 or above you can get into a number of law schools.
Your post seems to indicate you will only accept a T14 school, but I don't know how many incoming law students erroneously think this matters or is commonplace. If you can get into Harvard go for it, but 99% of practicing lawyers did not go to Harvard or Yale. Additionally, going to Harvard or Yale does not mean you will succeed in teh legal profession. One of my really good friends went to Yale Law School, but he hated being a lawyer and is now a salesman. He completely regrets having ever gone to law school, because it wasn't for him. Many of law school classmates are obviously doing quite well, but the point is going to X school does not mean success.
If you get a 170 on the LSAT awesome more power to you, but again there is 95% chance you will not score a 170 on the LSAT nothing against you, but odds are you not going to score in the top 5% of test takers.
Take the LSAT see what you get and assess your options. Don't go to the PeaceCorps or any of the other numerous things for the purpose of getting into a "better" law school. Just take the LSAT and see where you stand and decide whether to attend law school or not.
Also remember that the T14 schools are based on U.S. News, which is nothing more than a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion and the "T14" schools changed every year. There are certain schools Harvard, Yale, Stanford, that people know across the country, but Notre Dame is a great school in the Midwest, Texas is the best school for Texas, Nebraska is best for Nebraska, on and on location matters far more than what U.S. News says.
Here is an excellent article explaining the things to consider when choosing a law school. http://www.legalmatch.com/choose-the-right-law-school.html
Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.
If you want to end up in Chicago go to law school in Chicago.
University of Chicago is obviously the best, but that is tough. Then Northwestern or Notre Dame will open more doors in Chicago than Stanford would, even though Stanford is number 3.
I cannot emphasize enough the importance of location over the rankings. The rankings change drastically year by year and in the Bay Area you will find Stanford/Boalt grads they are connected in the Bay Area. You can find Stanford alum in Chicago, but University of Chicago or Northwestern grads will predominate in Chicago.
Realize wherever you attend law school will be three years of the prime of your life, and will likely where you end up residing long term. Also campuses are different Notre Dame is a college town and if you love Football, Frat, Parties, etc then Notre Dame is great, but if you hate small college towns don't move to South Bend.
Really consider location when you choose your law school I cannot emphasize it enough.
Awesome 171 is an amazing score.
As to your question with a 3.0/171 you are a major splitter and it is hard to predict if you would get into a T14 school. I encourage you to use lawschoolnumbers.com to see your chances.
With that said do not get to caught up in rankings remember these change year by year. Consider location, cost, personal feelings about the school etc.
From your orignal post it sounds like you want to be in the corporate or start-up world. To do that you really want to be in New York, Bay Area, L.A, and maybe Chicago.
Applying that logic to the rankings although University of Texas is a Top 15 school right now, if you wanted to be in L.A. attending U.S.C, which is ranked 23 this year would be far better to attend if you want to work in L.A. If you want to be in New York although Fordham is ranked 36th that will open more doors in New York than Texas, which is ranked 15.
Here is a list of the top 100 law schools and you can see how drastically school ranks change year by year. Remember U.S. News is a magazine offering an opinion nothing more nothing less, use common sense when choosing a law school and don't attend University of Virginia if you want to live in work in L.A.
Again, congrats on the great LSAT score.
Roger Williams should certainly open doors for the career you want then.
If you said you wanted to make partner at Cravath by 30 then it would not, but that is why you should take anonymous internet posts with a grain of salt everybody wants much different things.
I personally have no desire to do family/juvenile law, but many people are passionate about it. If this was the path you wanted to pursue then going to Harvard wouldn't even make sense.
One of the most important lessons to learn in the legal profession is to not over complicate things, and selecting a law school is one of the first lessons in that.
It sounds like you want to be a lawyer in Rhode Island.
There is no better way to accomplish that goal than attending law school in Rhode Island.
Don't start looking at magazine, internet posts, random statistics, etc if you like the school and want to be in Rhode Island it should work out.
Good luck as you pursue a legal career.