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2L job search / Re: 2L Summer Offers and Clerkships
« on: March 21, 2007, 10:02:10 PM »
Almost all firms value clerkships because of the experience they offer associates and will therefore allow you to take one prior to starting full time (and hold your spot), regardless of whether it is a federal or state clerkship. 

The one thing to be sensitive to, though, is that some firms are a little hesitant when it comes to clerkships because they are afraid that after having invested time and money training you during the summer, you will take the clerkship, boost your resume, and then apply to a firm elsewhere with your higher credentials, thus putting them out the amount of money they spent on you. 

I would not tell the firm about your intentions to pursue a clerkship until you have an offer. 

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1L job search / Re: summer before law school
« on: October 02, 2006, 01:25:46 AM »
The summer before I went to law school (straight out of undergrad) I babysat 8-5, M-F.  It was awesome.  I took the kids to the pool, carted them to golf lessons, played tag and watched Full House.  Perfectly mindless, ridiculously relaxing.  It has not hurt me one bit. 

Summer after 1L I worked at a small law firm.  They did not even ask what I did the summer before law school.  All the interview Q's were variations of "Why did you go to law school?" "How do you like it?" "What was your favorite class?" "Has it met your expectations?"

Now, I am interviewing for my 2L summer.  Not a soul has asked about the summer before law school because they all ask about my 1L summer. 

Do whatever you want the summer before law school - no one will even know.  I'd highly recommend a mindless job (or one that you will enjoy without having to push too hard) to relax before you have to really grind when 1L starts.  For the summer after 1L, absolutely get a job that is law-related, regardless of pay or how it relates to the law.  You'll need something to put on your resume and discuss in 2L interviews, plus the practical experience (research and writing) will be useful.

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General Board / Re: case briefing..it sucks
« on: August 17, 2006, 02:06:02 PM »
I made detailed briefs for the first week of classes. After that, I realized that all the professors that say they require briefs and all the upperclass students that say you should do them for at least first semester/month/til you get the hang of it were wrong (at least for me).

Briefs are purely to save face in class as far as I'm concerned. If you have a decent memory, you can simply highlight key facts, the rules, etc in your casebook and use those as your starting point to jog your memory of the case when you get called on.

If you are concerned about having briefs at the end of the semester for exams, don't be. When exam time comes, all you really need are the rules and any key reasoning your prof emphasized. Reading through briefs is usually overkill and you don't really have the time anyway.

I just kept a running list of the cases I read in each class with the rule and any reasoning the prof emphasized (usually no more than a few lines per case). Then as finals approached I took this list and used it to make an outline -- supplemented with a commercial outline and a reputable upperclass outline from the year before. By keeping track of everything covered in class, I didn't miss anything from class that the commercial outline or upperclass outline didn't cover, and I didn't include anything in my outline that we didn't cover in class that was covered in last year's upperclass outline or the commercial outline.

I know classmates that wasted a ton of time briefing cases first semester and even some all year. They never seemed to have enough time in the day. I didn't feel nearly as stressed because I wasn't wasting a half hour per case putting together a brief that recited exactly what was in the casebook and would be said by the prof (or socratic-ed out by the prof) again the next day.

Summary: Briefs are overrated. Don't feel pressured to do them if they're taking up a ton of time just because you think that's what you should be doing.

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1L job search / Re: Resume Description
« on: July 19, 2006, 03:07:07 PM »
I recommend googling "sample law school resumes" or "sample legal resumes." I did this when I was preparing my resume, and a ton of things came up, especially links to the Career sites of law schools around the country. Most of them give a ton of sample resumes. I found it really helpful to look at how other people phrased things and even what they emphasized the most. It also gave me ideas I never would have thought of. For example, attending depositions is a great experience that shows employers that you are familiar with varied legal proceedings (not just writing memos) and have (maybe) some client relation skills.

Good luck!

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Villanova / Re: West Chester
« on: June 20, 2006, 11:02:34 AM »
Hey, I'm a 2L at Nova. I live in La Maison in Wayne (lived there last year too). I love the apartments - they're spacious, clean, etc. The maintenance staff is really quick to resolve any issues, and snow is shoveled by the time you wake up in the morning.

The drive from there is nothing. It takes me 15 minutes max to get to school, but most days its not even 10. I had no trouble with it at all last year as a 1L. Also, I liked not being 2 seconds from school with all the other 1Ls in Home Properties of Bryn Mawr and Radnor House.

I definitely recommend La Maison.

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General Board / Re: Law School Weekends
« on: April 13, 2006, 12:15:14 AM »
I'm a current 1L and I very regularly take the weekends off entirely. This is not to say that I never do work on the weekends, but more often than not I spend the weekends work-free. If a legal writing assignment is due, or finals are approaching and I need to get my outlines in order, then I'll of course put in some time on the weekend.

Here's my typical weekly schedule, though (keep in mind that it varies with any appts, special events, etc going on in a given week).

Monday - Thursday: Get to school about 8. Have 2-3 classes spread out throughout the day. Spend the time between classes reading/prepping for the class to come, with a break for lunch with friends. Last class ends at 4:30, so then I head home. Once home, I generally do work, outline, etc til around 9, with a break for dinner somewhere in between. After 9, watch some tv, surf the internet, and relax before heading to bed.

Fridays: Somehow my section lucked out and we don't have classes on Fridays, so I use this day to catch up on reading and also to outline for the week that has passed. It works out perfectly because everyone else (my friends, family, bf) is at school or work during this time, so there are no distractions and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I generally go from about 8 or 9 (depending on when I can get myself out of bed) until 6 or 7. Then I take the rest of the night off and usually go out for some drinking.

Saturdays: Lazy day spent hanging out with my bf and recovering from any hangover. Take care of errands like grocery shopping. Saturday night is usually more relaxed than Friday (ie. usually not much drinking so I'm not hungover and useless on Sunday). But no schoolwork.

Sunday: Get up late, casual afternoon, then usually do some reading and work between 2 and 7. I take the night off to relax before the week starts up again.

When I started law school, I had a crazy schedule all worked out. I even color coded it in excel and printed it to carry with me. I found that it was excessive within the first week or two. I do not consider myself a slacker, and the study habits I've described above have worked incredibly well for me. I came out with a high A- GPA first semester, putting me in the top 10-15% of my class (actual ranks won't be released til summer - this is a guess based on last year's numbers). Hope this helps ease some concerns.

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Villanova / Re: Apartment hunt?
« on: June 08, 2005, 09:37:40 PM »
Here are some apartments in the area you may want to consider, although it is just a list I came up with from searching online or driving by and I have not looked at them all. I'll post again with opinions after I see them.

(All are within 5 miles of Villanova)

Bryn Mawr Gables
(866) 304-8017 ext. 5607
806 Montgomery Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010

Mermont Plaza Apartments
(866) 304-9773 ext. 3501
901 Montgomery Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010

Strafford Station Apartments
(866) 510-5853 ext. 3217
400-2D Strafford Avenue
Wayne, PA 19087

The Westchester Apartments
(866) 516-9783 ext. 2503
2201 West Chester Pike
Broomall, PA 19008

Brynwood Apartments
(866) 255-8158 ext. 3077
250 East Wynnewood Road
Wynnewood, PA 19096

Belmont Village Apartments
(866) 438-5324 ext. 8295
200 Ross Road
King of Prussia, PA 19406

The Marquis
(866) 875-4734 ext. 1495
251 West DeKalb Pike
King Of Prussia, PA 19406

La Maison
(610) 688-3800
219 Sugartown Road
Strafford-Wayne, PA 19087



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Law School Applications / Re: Underage Posession of Alcohol.
« on: August 21, 2005, 12:08:25 PM »
I really think you have nothing to worry about. I know it is hard not to stress about it, but I really wouldn't waste the energy. I applied for '05 admissions with two alcohol incidents on my record and spent way too much time worrying about it. My admissions decisions seemed unaffected by the incidents. I was accepted at safeties and targets, waitlisted and/or rejected at places where my numbers were lower than the school's stats.

I wrote a very short and simple addendum explaining what happened, what I had learned (ie - to more carefully consider the consequences of my actions before carrying them through or something to that effect), and highlighting how much time had passed (incident-free) since then.

Best of luck and don't worry too much.

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I just applied for my private loan through Sallie Mae. I got prime minus .25% with my credit, which has no blemishes but is only two years old. I'm also carrying a balance of about $800 of a $1500 credit limit on my only credit card, so I was pretty pleased with the rate.

The loan also included a 3% repayment fee, which I was told will not apply if I add a cosigner to my loan (I plan to).

dsmit56 - from what I gathered from my conversation with someone at Sallie Mae, the repayment fee is charged on the entire amount of your loan just before you make your first payment after graduation/the grace period.

I do not plan to pay the interest on my loan while in school, so that interest will accumulate and additional interest will be charged on not only the original principal but also the deferred interest that has been accruing over the years. So by the time I get around to paying my loan, the amount will be quite a bit and saving 3% of that total amount will be a good deal of money - therefore I'm going with a cosigner.

For those who are interested, I thought the people at Sallie Mae were pretty helpful and that the loan rates/terms seemed very fair.

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Financial Aid / Cosigner Question
« on: June 22, 2005, 03:32:52 PM »
If you apply for your private loans with a cosigner, does the lender run a credit check on both parties (the cosigner as well as the borrower) or just the cosigner?

Also, if both are run, how are the two scores used to determine interest rates? Is the cosigner's score used to give you better interest rates on the loan or is some sort of middle ground between the two scores used to determine the interest rate of your private loan?

Any insight would be great, thanks!

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