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Southwestern doesn't sound much different from any other part time program... 

There are several schools which will offer part time spots to full time applicants who otherwise wouldn't be accepted.  These are students who often have slightly lower numbers and will benefit from having a lighter course load. 

I understand that the OP is upset that they have less time to study due to thier full time "responsible" job, but most law students had full time jobs before starting.  We quit them to go to school.  While lots of people do have to work to support families, maybe scaling back to a "trivial" job in order to improve your academic performance IS the "responsible" thing to do.

Law school in an investment.  Almost everyone has to sacrifice something to be here.  It isn't supposed to be easy, and complaining that you have it harder than your neighboor doesn't really help you to do any better.

Current Law Students / Re: full scholarship
« on: July 29, 2005, 01:42:45 PM »
My numbers are lower than yours and my scholarship covers most of tuition...  I'm going to need to come up with three thousand dollars for the year but I got a grad assistant position which makes up the difference.

Current Law Students / Re: Good LSAT, Bad GPA
« on: June 27, 2005, 01:32:42 PM »
I think it really all depends on what YOU consider a "decent" law school. 

There are those who think anything below T14 isn't worth the time and money, and there are those who are perfectly happy to go to a second or third tier school with good local prospects...  It just depends on your perspective.

You will definitely get in somewhere.  Applications seem to be a gamble no matter what your numbers.  Also, I think it's worth noting that the people who post on these boards (if everyone is telling the truth) don't seem to be representative of the application pool at large.  All is not lost if you don't have a 4.0/180! 

Unfortunately, graduate GPA doesn't seem to count for a whole lot. 

That said, in my esteemed opinion if you send out enough applications you'll probably get in to a mid to lower T1.  If not, definitely a respectable T2.   :D

Good luck with the application process!

I'll admit I don't know much about NYLS...  but I do think that you are better off with the degree than without one. 

Your prospects coming out of NYLS may not be as impressive as those of someone getting thier degree from a T1, but it just means you need to work harder.  Get in that top 10% and you won't have to worry so much.  And your prospects with any law school degree are still better than someone who doesn't have an upper level degree at all!

If you do decide to scrap the law school idea for this year and apply again in the fall, what will you be doing in the meantime to improve your chances of being accepted?  If you don't do anything worthwhile with this year, the same schools that turned you down now will probably still ding you later...

Finally, I know there are many people on this board who seem to be in this for the money.  And of course the potential for a six-figure salary is a draw for anyone.  But starting at $60,000 certainly isn't shabby.  Most of my friends coming out of undergrad are making between $25,000 and $40,000 and they have NYU debt! (and most of them have NYC rent to pay as well).  When my parents got married (given this was 23 years ago) they had a combined income of under $30,000... but they made do.  Will you be living the high life on $60,000?  Probably not.  Will you be living comfortably?  More than likely, especially if you aren't set on staying in New York City...

My opinion is: 

When making this decision, don't worry too much about the money.  We're only on this earth for some eighty-odd years if we're really doesn't matter that much in the long run.  Worst case scenario: your kids pay it back 50 years from now with your life insurance money! 

Go to work hard and learn something.   Go for the intellectual stimulation.  Don't deprive yourself of what could be a great educational experience because you are hung up on issues of cost or prestige.

Current Law Students / Re: Dating while in law school
« on: April 27, 2005, 06:47:53 PM »
Thought I'd offer my two cents...

Frankly I don't care who my classmates choose to date, party with or take home...that's up to them.  If a guy wants to date someone six years younger  he can go ahead and it's not really a threat to me.  It seems like there are plenty of guys out there who are interested in women thier own age and so we female law students should just date them instead...

Or do what I do and find a boyfriend who can offer a social life outside of the people I see on a day to day basis and helps me to think about life outside of law school...

That said, if any of the guys out there are going to NYU you are in luck!  It's my undergrad and word on the street is that the law school is one of the best places on campus to find strait men... 

The driving thing does bring up a good point...what is a "right?"

We all have the right to fight for our country if we so choose, it's called enlisting.  But when it comes to the draft, is it women's "right" to be drafted?  Because frankly I tend to think of my rights in terms of my freedoms and I saying I have the "right" to be forced into the military is similar to saying I have a right to pay taxes.  It may be my duty, but it is certainly not my right. 

On the other side, are men being denied the right to stay at home and away from danger that women have generally enjoyed in the past?  Possibly.  However, if we claim that it is a person's right to NOT be drafted then having a draft at all would be a denial of everyone's rights, men and women.  For this reason, it is problematic to examine the draft in terms of ERA which talks about equally distributing rights.  It doesn't necissarily follow that we would have to equally infringe upon rights as well.

On a personal note, as a woman I wouldn't want to be drafted.  I wouldn't want my sisters drafted.  I wouldn't want my female friends drafted.  By the same token I wouldn't want my boyfriend drafted, nor my male friends.  But I will admit that as sexist as it may be, if the men in my life went to war I would worry about them slightly less than the women.  I also would never let a female friend go home with a stranger from a bar while a male friend doing the same thing would hardly raise an eyebrow.  I would never let a female friend walk home alone at night in a bad neighboorhood. 

Most women may be just as capable as men, but as a woman, I don't mind being sheltered from hazardous situations.  I was never taught to handle them.  I'd rather be sheltered from violence, but I didn't grow up learning to hunt, tackle, or take pride in my injuries like many boys do. 

More men than women have the ideas of war and athleticism drilled into them from a much young age.  Despite great strides in equality these are lessons that most women are still not taught.  I don't feel women shouldn't be in combat, but I don't know whether a draft for women is right for our society (or our gender roles which are still insiduously entrenched) at the current time.

Seems like a good list...

Do you have any credit card bills which will have to be paid off in a quasi-regular fashion? 

Also, you may want to leave a little for incidentals that crop up - toothpaste, soap, shampoo, toilet paper, windew, paper towels, garbage bags - it can really add up!

The only other thing I can think of is that it may be easier to stick to a weekly food budget than a daily one. 

When you say you used Kaplan, did you just review the books at home, or did you take the class? 

Personally I did my prep work on my own at home but some people can really benefit from assignments and a study schedule worked out by someone else.  If you have the extra money and inclination, a class may be worth it. 

Plus, they do have the "higher score guarantee" so if you don't improve you'll be refunded so long as you did all your work.

Of course I teach for them, so I may be a bit biased... ;)

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Reflections
« on: June 27, 2005, 07:12:05 AM »
Well, I wish you the best of luck...and if you take it again I'll keep my fingers crossed for your October 174!   ;)

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Reflections
« on: June 27, 2005, 07:02:23 AM »
Some unsolicited advice:

I agree that you should consider your options before you rush to retake the test...  What if the scale is even "harsher" next time?  You cannot be certain your score will go up.  

When I took the test last February it was more or less on a whim, and did no test prep at all.  Thus my 168 was an incredible stroke of luck.  So I determined that if I studied I could improve my score at least a little.  I buckled down a little more and took the October test...for another 168.

It was a waste of time, money, and extra stress that I just didn't need my senior year of college.

I'm not saying you shouldn't retake your LSAT... but you still have a score to be proud of - one that lots of people would be grateful for.  

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