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General Board / Re: how long take your guys to prepare LSAT
« on: April 19, 2006, 08:38:54 PM »
Good for you man.  I understand people have different goals and many want to be sure they get the best education possible, but all the droning on about rankings and prestige is shallow at best.  It's like talking about how much your salary is compared to so-and-so's salary.  There is a reason people don't generally spout that kind of B.S.  Namely, having a little class and respect for others who may not share your values.  Not to mention that it sometimes reaks of a little latent insecurity and a need to be appreciated by others.  A 166 is a 166 and chances are you'll be fine whatever path you take. 

General Board / How does your faith co-exist with government?
« on: April 19, 2006, 08:21:12 PM »
This is actually an offshoot of the same-sex marriage thread that I thought was worthy of its own thread.  On that thread, deltaHUSL posted: "i disagree with it on a moral basis as a catholic, but if the court finds the right to privacy covers it, so be it."
I found being confronted with this kind of decision interesting, especially in today's political climate, so I responded (below) before just deciding to paste it here on a new thread.

How do you personally deal with your religious beliefs being abridged when it comes to the rights of others?  As a law student you surely must also have some appreciation for the importance of individual rights.  I'm just curious how you manage to balance this conflict.  Or anyone of any religion for that matter.

Just so you know where I am coming from, I am personally about as non-religious as they come.  I think that the singlemost tangible effect of organized religion is divisiveness and the ironic spread of hate through conflicting messages of love.  I believe that morality exists independently of religion and is not necessarily a product of it.  Please understand that I would never push this view on anyone and I afford all due respect to those who choose to practice an organized religion. My own grandparents have both gone to church and Sunday school their whole lives and I don't think I will ever meet their equal in terms of selflessness and compassion for others. Yet the nuts and bolts of organized religion is not something that I can fully understand.

Anyway, what I really want to know is how someone of faith in America reconciles this belief with a belief in American government.  There are many very outspoken Christians these days   but unfortunately many of them are also relatively uneducated so it's often hard to get a truly objective viewpoint.  This is just my experience so please don't take it the wrong way.  I know this is not ALL Christians.  It is just a simple fact that most of any population is not going to be college-educated and Christianity just happens to be the majority religion in this country. I know that there ARE also educated people who are religious which is what I assume you to be.  It just follows that since there are fewer educated people there are also fewer religious educated people.

So anyway, I am just curious.  To admit to holding Catholic beliefs while at the same time giving deference to the judicial system (though I don't think same-sex marriage is necessarily a right to privacy issue) is an interesting point of view. And what about sharing space with others of differing religious beliefs?

I understand that this can be a delicate subject and as you can probably tell, I'm trying to be as respectful as possible.  I think intelligent law school students are mature enough to have this discussion so have at it.  I am really interested in hearing opinions from students of the law who also have faith in a religion, so I hope it doesn't turn into bashing.  If that happens, it will only drive away those whose opinion I want to hear in the first place. 

General Board / Re: how long take your guys to prepare LSAT
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:39:26 PM »
This may kind of fall in line with what Gekko is saying but, yeah, it just depends...  How high do you need to score?  As high as humanly possible for you or something less?  The answer to this question should give you some guidance.

Why would you want to?  Why would it be any different?  It's fairly difficult to fail out of law school and it takes two semesters to do it.  I would think it's not too late to salvage another career choice.  Anyone who was admitted to law school is probably reasonably capable, but perhaps law was a bad choice.  There are plenty of other opportunities out there.  I would try to turn it into something positive, leave, and not look back.  I just don't see the point in transferring and praying for a miraculous recovery if it didn't hold your interest for the first two semesters.

General Board / Re: Boston Legal Market
« on: April 15, 2006, 01:44:44 AM »
Try the Turkey Carver on honey wheat.

Look out, the nurses are bearing down on us!  I knew I should have been a real estate appraiser.

General Board / Re: HOw Old ARe You
« on: April 12, 2006, 08:21:40 AM »
I was just wondering where someone aged 25, 30, or 35 is supposed to vote in the above poll? 

General Board / Re: Law School Weekends
« on: April 12, 2006, 08:13:21 AM »
None of that matters.  You are graded on a single exam.  Most of the things you covered all semester will not be on it.  The grades are wildly arbitrary as you will find out.  Hard work is not always rewarded.  What you will soon discover is that writing an 'A' exam doesn't have very much to do with knowing case opinions.  Luckily, neither does practicing law.  And you can't read and read until you "get it".  This is another misconception.  You never just "get it".  The law is very fluid and subjective as you will soon realize.

You will not read cases for 18 hours a day after you realize all of this I promise you.

This is not my opinion.  Any law student of even a few weeks would agree with me (If anyone doesn't then by all means, speak up).  Your attitude is not unique for someone entering their first year. 

General Board / Re: Strict Grading Curves - A Major Cause for Concern?
« on: April 11, 2006, 10:43:35 PM »
I think most employers are quite aware of this and in most cases ranking is definitely given more consideration than GPA. A comparison of the two numbers side by side speaks for itself.  If you are envisioning some kind of high ranking/low GPA discrepancy, I'm sure they are capable of figuring that out.  They were in law school themselves once.  And yes, you will not sometimes but always include both your ranking and GPA on any application or resume.  I would by no means let a grading curve have ANY influence whatsoever in choosing which school to attend.  Most schools have similar curve systems anyway.  If you are a strong student (read: your professors like your exam answers), you don't need to worry about a grading curve keeping you out of a job. 

General Board / Re: Law School Weekends
« on: April 11, 2006, 10:28:28 PM »
You should also consider that everyone's brain works differently.  Hours spent studying is not directly correlative to GPA.  Some people function better when they are refreshed and use smaller amounts of time more productively.  Some goof off and socialize in the library with their books open and claim to have been "studying" for 8 hours.  Some just grasp concepts faster than others.  While some may need more time, some simply don't.  Some just write poor exams and in the end that's all that counts when grades come out.  Hardly a reflection of their ability to succeed in the diverse field of law.  To answer the OP's question, you can certainly be diligent about managing your time effectively so that you can have a break on the weekends. Sometimes you won't, and you'll just have to spend the weekend getting caught up. I find that working hard for a weekend reward is a good motivator.  You will find your groove once you get going.  In the end, I think you will apply yourself most effectively if you make sure law school remains an enjoyable experience (at least as much as can be anyway). Most of the time you'll be too tired to be tempted to go out anyway. A law student's idea of a good time is usually just getting to go to sleep.

Although I have to admit I am often just a bit envious of those at the bottom of the class. The lack of pressure must be very liberating. But then again, so is finishing your last exam knowing you honestly gave your best effort.  That's the only way to be at peace in this insane game.  Grades are just way too arbitrary to obsess over.

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