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You're the last liberal arts student in Kansas.

Law School Applications / Re: June 2008 LSAT -- any fee waivers yet?
« on: July 11, 2008, 07:28:17 AM »
I suspect they put some of the information in by hand: transcripts and LORs?

I agree though that if they are going to charge $12/school, the $112 for LSDAS just seems too high.

Fees for LSAT/LSDAS:
LSAT   $127
LSDAS   $117 (plus the $12 fee for each school that you want to send a report to, plus each school's application fee)

 :-[ I was just guessing from what I remembered on my credit card statement, I paid for both at the same time.

Law School Applications / Re: June 2008 LSAT -- any fee waivers yet?
« on: July 10, 2008, 10:30:53 PM »
LSAC is the organization. They provide three services: LSAT, LSDAS and CRS. I think LSDAS costs about $230, and CRS is a part of your LSAC account. Law schools use CRS to get the info they use for fee waivers.

I think the law schools get sent CRS even if you haven't signed up for LSDAS, but they may also be able to check whether you have LSDAS, and use that to judge whether they believe that you intend to apply this year.

Regardles, some law schools (probable 2T) may send waivers whether you are signed up for LSDAS anyway. Make sure you have as much info in the CRS lines in the profile section on as you can. The CRS section are marked with a (CRS) button next to the text field. ;) It seems to be a little random but you don't want to lose a fee waiver just because you didn't mention that you were interested in schools in that state!

Finally, read the post that Laura linked if you can. In the past people didn't get most of their waivers until august, and the first waivers last year (Duke and W&M I think) sent waivers 11 days after LSAT scores were released, and then there was nothing for several weeks. From which I predict waivers from the June LSAT won't start showing up until sometime next week at the earliest.


Law School Applications / Re: June 2008 LSAT -- any fee waivers yet?
« on: July 09, 2008, 09:53:33 PM »
Yeah, me too.

I got one from Indiana, but I doubt it is from the June LSATs (I was a retake). I would really like to just see my email in-box fill up all in one day and just know how much money I'm going to be spending on these apps!

As an Ivy econ major, in theory I have other job options.    Like...banking!  And consulting!  And...actually, that's about it.  ;D

My explanation of why I find the law interesting is going to sound pretty weird.  I remember in elementary school, we learned about the Constitution, and the government, and the rule of law.  Every single year, we learned about it, and it seemed handed down from on high - the law of the land was as real, permanent, and ingrained in the fabric of the universe as the laws of gravity and electromagnetism.    And then one day I realized, all at once, that it wasn't - that our government, our entire world system of sovereign states and police and no riding your bike on the sidewalk once you turned 13 - was an invention of human beings, as fragile and artificial as a house of cards.

Well, I found that thought both terrifying and awe-inspiring. The law (which governs in many regards how our society works) is an invention, and a distinctly human one, which means it is flawed and sometimes illogical and immensely complicated.  And it's always changing. 

One of the things they drill into you as an Econ major is the nature of incentives - the ways that the rules of the game (taxation, competitive forces, etc) can drastically affect people's behavior.  The law is the rules of the game for our society, and their scope matters immensely.  Why did the laws come down as they did?  How might things be different - how might people's lives be different - otherwise?  How do the puzzle pieces fit together? 

There's another reason, which is a bit more personal (i.e. egotistical :D).  In my experience, I do much better in situations where I have a distinct role - the research person, the computers gal, whatever.  (Being one of 100 spreadsheet jockeys has less appeal for me.)  I like being someone who can contribute something important.  (I suppose that's true of everyone to some degree - everyone wants to make a difference - but the nature of the desire varies.) So even if I don't go into (say) appellate practice, being the lawyer - and hopefully a good lawyer - would allow me to make a substantive contribution to whatever organization I ended up working for. 

That was a really long-winded explanation, sorry.  (It's particularly obnoxious when you consider that, having never been to law school, I'm probably wrong about a lot of this.)  I'm certainly not ignorant of the amount of hard and sometimes boring work that will be involved.  And one can't entirely ignore the other reasons in the poll - for example, I'd be the first to admit that if there were fewer job options after the JD (a la a PhD in English) I'd be a lot more hesitant to dive in headfirst.  But there are other ways to make money, too.  In short: my answer is that I find law interesting.  ;D

That is virtually identical to my reasoning!! Plus I also like it when other people fear your power ;)

Where should I go next fall? / Information about program specifics?
« on: July 08, 2008, 10:04:30 PM »
I moved this over from the reviews and rankings board since it wasn't getting any attention.

The basic question is that some schools have reputations for good programs in certain areas of law, where can you find that kind of information?

I've been looking around and everyone seems to know what programs each school is known for or good at, but I just have no idea. I'm thinking of things like UCLA is known for entertainment law, Lewis and Clark for environmental law, and Berkeley is known for intellectual property (I think). Obviously this would be a good way to tell them apart, but where do you find the information? Are there books or websites you recommend? Can you really get all of this from the various schools' websites?

If you just want to give it to me, here's my short list:

U. of Washington

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT SCORES ARE OUT
« on: July 08, 2008, 09:57:33 PM »
Take it from someone who knows a few lawyers personally. 

Here he said he knows "a few lawyers"

Hence the reason quite a few lawyers have jumped off of the Empire State Building.

Here he said "quite a few lawyers"

Which one do you take issue with? The latter seems to be a complete set of people (lawyers who jumped off the Empire state building) compared with another complete set (all lawyers). The former is a limited set from his personal experience, it may be the case that all the disgruntled lawyers in the country are the members of the set that he knows personally, and that all other lawyers are, in fact, very happy with their work. :-\

Law School Applications / Re: Help with an addendum?
« on: July 08, 2008, 03:26:51 AM »
If you have anything lower than a C you should probably explain it, and it sounds like you have a good reason. Just don't make it sound whiny. ;) What are the rest of your grades like (B's and A's, or A's and C's)?

Increase: +8 (undisclosed raw points?)
Old score(s): 165 (June '06)
New Score: 173 (June '08)
Reasons: I actually studied this time. The first time I lost all my motivation about two weeks before the test and decided to take it anyway because I had already paid for it  :P. This time around I went through both bibles, read up on things on LSD and other places and I did 30+ real, timed, practice tests.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Percentile Shifts?
« on: July 08, 2008, 03:06:47 AM »
they normalize over the tests from the last three years.

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