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1. I will not fall asleep in class

2. I will read every supplement I have

3. I will write my own outlines

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General Board / Re: Should I quit?
« on: April 09, 2009, 12:53:10 AM »
I like how people are so willing to act like nobody goes into law for the money... or that money isn't a major motivating factor for pretty much everybody who posts here. 


Personally, I went into it for the money.  If making 160k in my mid-20s was not a possibility then I would not have gone to law school.  Hate on me if u want.

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General Board / Re: Should I quit?
« on: April 08, 2009, 01:28:44 AM »
I'm at a school that ranks toward the bottom of the T14 in my second semester.  In my first semester, I was slightly above median.  I'm not going to do any better this semester and may even end up doing worse.

My question:  should I get out now?  Law school is ridiculously expensive and, with salaries stagnating and possibly plummeting in the near future, it no longer seems worth it... particularly given that I'm not doing very well.

I left a career as an engineer (semiconductor devices) to go into patent law.  I was a researcher and I could probably go back to it.  I'd only do that, though, if being in the median really means that I'd have poor career opportunities in patent law. 

I have already passed the patent bar and have 3 years of experience working as a patent agent prosecuting patent applications.

Flame

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IMO you should never pay money to for an essay service.  Just write it and get someone you trust (who is relatively decent at editing) to proofread. 

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I don’t think law school or the law is particularly difficult. What is hard is adjusting to a new way of thinking, being tested and presenting your ideas. Some folks will find that they adjust quicker than others. It just depends on how fast you “get it.” You will have some folks in your class who need to study 12 hours a day to get top grades and others who can coast and do the same thing. Its not that one is more intelligent than the other, its just more likely the later person just “thinks” in the way that works for law school more naturally than does the former.
 
The quicker you “get it” the easier law school becomes. I found that as soon as I stopped thinking in right/wrong, yes/no ways, like stopped forming an opinion as I read the case, the easier the whole process was, the sooner I dumped preconviced notions the easier it was for me to absorb what I was being taught and apply it, kind of like learning a new language either by emersion or looking up individual words in English to get their meaning in say Spanish. The piecemeal way is harder, the immersive changing the way you think method is easier in the long run, once you get that everything is cake.


TITCR...you could memorize every ounce of Black Letter and still get a B+.  If you want to do well in law school it is all about ANALYSIS.  Remember this phrase "it depends" lol.

Other useful phrases:

"On one hand... On the other hand..."
"Plaintiff contends... defendant contends..."
"Under common law... alternatively..."
"Based on the underlying purpose of the statute, plaintiff's interpretation is superior because..."



Or this that I actually wrote on my property exam:

“ At this point I have no freaking idea who owns Blackacre, who has  vested interest in it, who’s is springing, who has the remainder, hell I don’t really care at this point. The only person I know for sure that does not own Blackacre is me, because if I did I would sell the damn thing and quit law school after taking your test.”

I got an A-.


I've always wanted to draw a giant middle finger

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I have no knowlegde on the Bar exams topic but I am curious on why  I never hear anyone saying they are taking the D.C bar. Its always NY or MD (now i think of it I never hear anyone saying they are taking the VA bar either but not as much as the reference to DC)

DC bar is easy to waive into, so essentially you are getting a "two for one deal." 

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I don’t think law school or the law is particularly difficult. What is hard is adjusting to a new way of thinking, being tested and presenting your ideas. Some folks will find that they adjust quicker than others. It just depends on how fast you “get it.” You will have some folks in your class who need to study 12 hours a day to get top grades and others who can coast and do the same thing. Its not that one is more intelligent than the other, its just more likely the later person just “thinks” in the way that works for law school more naturally than does the former.
 
The quicker you “get it” the easier law school becomes. I found that as soon as I stopped thinking in right/wrong, yes/no ways, like stopped forming an opinion as I read the case, the easier the whole process was, the sooner I dumped preconviced notions the easier it was for me to absorb what I was being taught and apply it, kind of like learning a new language either by emersion or looking up individual words in English to get their meaning in say Spanish. The piecemeal way is harder, the immersive changing the way you think method is easier in the long run, once you get that everything is cake.


TITCR...you could memorize every ounce of Black Letter and still get a B+.  If you want to do well in law school it is all about ANALYSIS.  Remember this phrase "it depends" lol.

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How hard law school will seem depends on how hard your undergrad major was (IMO).  If you had a piece of cake major that required little to no effort then the workload will seem huge.  Please note that I am not saying you will get better grades if you had a difficult major.  I am just saying that the workload will seem more manageable.

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General Board / Re: Was BigLaw a Bubble?
« on: March 24, 2009, 12:40:29 PM »
Is biglaw a bubble? no  Was 160k over-inflated? YES.  The problem is that Biglaw's method of compensation is flawed.  Biglaw isn't a bubble of its own, it rides other bubbles.

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Howard has marginally better employment prospects and about a 20% lower bar passage rate.

I am not disputing the bar passage rate, but to say that the employment prospects are "marginally" better is a fallacy.  Firms that do not interview at American interview at Howard (granted you have to be at the top of your class, but the same can be said for American).  If you are a black male who wants to go to school in DC and you did not get into Gtown or GW then (IMO) you should go to Howard.

96.4% (Howard) v. 93.3% (American) employment, with American having 1.8% more "other" grads pursuing grad degrees, is anything besides a marginal difference?

I am saying in terms of the number/caliber of firms.  Anyways I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong.  To me (and most of the other people I know) there is a big difference between Howard and American (if you are AA). 

*please note that I do not go to Howard

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