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NU without a doubt. If you place in the middle of your class at Baylor you are out of luck for corporate work or any big law work for that matter. At NU, conversely, the middle of the class or even bellow will still provide you corporate opportunities in Chicago, NY, TX, etc. Furthermore, you are talking about a drastic difference in reputation. If you decided that you wanted to move into business (in-house or investment banking, etc.), NU would open door across the country while Baylor would only provide similar opportunities in TX and then only if you were high enough in your class to start your career in big law.

Although I completely understand the concern about cost, you intend to pursue high paid work anyway. If you're making 180-200K starting (which is the market rate), you can burn through 200K in debt pretty fast. NU virtually guarantees that salary for the top 60-70% of the class. Only the top 15% at Baylor could say the same. My calculus would change if you wanted to practice, for example, immigration law in TX. If that were the case, Baylor with $$$ would be a fine option. However, with your career goals, you cannot afford to take a chance at Baylor. Prestige is (almost) everything coming out of law school and NU provides it in spades.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« on: April 19, 2008, 07:11:52 PM »
honestly, i don't think transferring is frowned upon.  people transfer (mostly) for better opportunities.  there may be downsides to transferring, but depending on where you are able to, the gained opportunities outweigh the negatives.

personally, i just caution people against going to a school that they wouldn't like for 3 years with the sole intention of transferring.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How national is BU?
« on: April 19, 2008, 07:06:40 PM »
I think the more important question here is what percentage of the class is truly national. At T1 schools, the top 10% of the class likely has more national reach while the rest of the class is more or less bound to their region. With schools like Vandy/GW/BU/WUSTL etc., the top 25% are probably national while the rest of class is not. The reason that the T14 is "truly national" is because a majority of the class has national reach.

Do not even consider transferring at this point. It is incredibly short-sighted to enter law school with that in mind because it is impossible to predict law school performance. Remember that you have a 10% chance of being in the top 10%. Do not bank on it. The question you should ask yourself is: Do I want to practice in CA, NY or MI? Your answer should be determinative of you decision.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« on: April 19, 2008, 01:35:27 AM »
The problem with Quinnipiac is that you may graduate unable to secure substantive legal employment at all, even in Conn. Although with UIUC you are entirely correct that it will not position you particularly well to return to Conn. However, it will at least increase your odds of acquiring legal employment somewhere. I would consider whether you would be happier underemployed in Conn or substantively employed but in the Midwest. But keep in mind that UIUC will not guarantee you employment. Meaning that the worst-worst case scenario would be underemployment in the Midwest. Eek. 

Well, you have a 50% chance of keeping your scholarship. Those are good odds. Nevertheless, I would try to look past the money to the school itself. Does either offer a special program or clinic that you are interested in; employee a professor that you would like to take classes from? Also consider the location and environment of school; class size; type of students, etc. While $60,000 is a chunk of change, it may not be that significant to warrant forgoing a school that you would otherwise attend--if money was not an issue. If neither school stands out to you in that way, try to find accurate employment statistics. Finally, although I've never been, I've often been told that Portland is a great city. Can the same be said for Salem?


What is the curve?

50th percentile at either school would put you in a "precarious" position employment-wise. Although "well paying jobs" does depend on your definition of "well," law firm jobs will be hard to come by unless you are approximately in the top 1-5% at W or 5-10% at L&C. In considering whether to take the money, that depends on what GPA or class rank you must maintain to renew the scholarship. If the bar is set too high, there is a good chance that you will fall beneath it (it is the nature of curves) and lose the money, which would defeat the purpose of going to the lower ranked school in the first place.

Good luck with your decision.

"if I want public interest work, those kind of positions are earned through one's own personal efforts to demonstrate a sincere passion and dedication to such a field. That can't be measured by a school ranking."

It is a misconception that public interest jobs are comparably easy to obtain. Many students at top schools are also "dead-set" on going into public interest. Hence, although the world might be a better place if public interest positions were earned in the way that you presume, even in public interest rankings matter and may determine whether or not you are given the opportunity to "demonstrate passion and dedication" in the first place. Just like any legal employer, public interest organizations use rankings to weed out applicants. Moreover, lower ranked schools provide less extensive public interest options.

Don't get me wrong. I am not in the business of discouraging or encouraging attendance to one school over another. I am merely inserting some reality into your idealism. If you perceive SW as being the place for you, then right on.   

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: better to go to for transferring?
« on: April 07, 2008, 10:33:38 AM »
The difference between the schools for transfer purposes is negligible. Although, Minn and Illinois might position you better for UC and NW, while Emory for Georgetown. That is mere speculation, though. I can say that there was one Minn kid and a couple Emory kids in my transfer class but none from Illinois. That could be self-selection but you never know. Also, top 15% would probably put you in the position to transfer into at least one T14. Many of the kids who I transferred with (T25), were top 15% but not top 10% and were accepted to GULC, UVA, Duke, Mich, etc.

Keep in mind that the previous posters are entirely correct. You can never predict your 1L performance and your best bet is to go to the school in the region you would like to work (Minn/Illinois = midwest; Emory = south, DC).

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