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LSAT horror stories / Re: Need some advice
« on: February 10, 2009, 09:10:06 AM »

I'm with this guy. Saying that TTT and TTTT grads will not find a job as a blanket statement is just ridiculous. SO much depends on where you live or are willing to go to school.

I go to a TTT in a state where there are only two schools and mine is the slightly higher regarded of the two. We have one pretty big market with a handful of firms that pay well into the 6 figures for starting associates. We also have several decent sized markets that you can make good money in with a great quality of life and the states immediately bordering mine hire a lot of people from my schools during 2L summer.

If you are hell bent on being on a coast...maybe I would agree to an extent with the original argument. But those of us that aren't interested in that can do very well coming out of a state school with good grades. Even right now in this poo economy because our firms aren't the ones laying off hundreds of attys...

If you can do well enough on the LSAT to get into a TT I would encourage it. But if all you can muster is a TTT or TTTT, please think carefully before doing it. (You won't.)

BULLCRAP.  Any graduate from any school can get a job in law.  This LSAT is complete crap, and not every school relies on it so heavily.

I work at a law firm that hires interns out of Harvard and Yale and guess what?  All of them have sucked.  They all came to us with a sense of entitlement and they all cheated their way through their internships (by claiming graded credit when they didn't fulfill their obligations to the law firm).  I've witnessed a couple of them (from Yale) flunk the Massachusetts bar.



So scoring high on an LSAT and getting into a top tiered school doesn't mean the student's not an a-hole.  It just means the student's an a-hole with a sense of entitlement.

TTom, I highly encourage you to GO FOR IT.  Study up and take the test a third time in two years.  You seem like a thoughtful person who's discouraged, and don't let the negative blowhards on this site discourage you by saying you're not cut out for it.

If you want it badly enough, then you're cut out for it.  GO FOR IT.  All you really need to practice law is admission to a state bar.  Period.  Build your contacts now, do great in whatever school you attend (on whatever tier you can get into) and GO FOR IT.

I wish you all the best.  And to the blowhards who are negative, I wish all the worst.

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General Board / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 04, 2009, 08:51:07 PM »

My only advice is don't make OCI your only strategy for finding a job. 


Ha, don't worry! I'm not at one of the Super Schools that most of you are. I definitely mass-mailed and networked my ass off over the last several months just to be sure I found at least one firm willing to let me learn on their dime this summer...but hopefully my grades will get me an OCI offer or two from the bigger firms as well!


So basically an OCI, and only an OCI offer, is the right one for you?

I understand your supposition that an OCI offer will be the right choice for you. But is it that an OCI offer, and only an OCI offer, is the way to go in your case?

No I mean that I have several interviews stemming from mass-mailings and networking so I don't have to completely rely on OCI. Although, I do think I will be pretty competitive for OCI and those ARE the biggest of the firms that I am interviewing with.

Honestly, I'm down with any decent-sized, paying firm for this summer for experience and a boost for my 2L resume.



Indeed, lawless, phaselee remark is kinda strange.

Glad I'm not the only one confused...

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General Board / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 04, 2009, 08:17:19 PM »

My only advice is don't make OCI your only strategy for finding a job. 


Ha, don't worry! I'm not at one of the Super Schools that most of you are. I definitely mass-mailed and networked my ass off over the last several months just to be sure I found at least one firm willing to let me learn on their dime this summer...but hopefully my grades will get me an OCI offer or two from the bigger firms as well!


So basically an OCI, and only an OCI offer, is the right one for you?

I understand your supposition that an OCI offer will be the right choice for you. But is it that an OCI offer, and only an OCI offer, is the way to go in your case?

No I mean that I have several interviews stemming from mass-mailings and networking so I don't have to completely rely on OCI. Although, I do think I will be pretty competitive for OCI and those ARE the biggest of the firms that I am interviewing with.

Honestly, I'm down with any decent-sized, paying firm for this summer for experience and a boost for my 2L resume.


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General Board / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 03, 2009, 09:24:41 PM »
My only advice is donít make OCI your only strategy for finding a job. 

Ha, don't worry! I'm not at one of the Super Schools that most of you are. I definitely mass-mailed and networked my ass off over the last several months just to be sure I found at least one firm willing to let me learn on their dime this summer...but hopefully my grades will get me an OCI offer or two from the bigger firms as well!


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General Board / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 03, 2009, 01:46:17 PM »
Thanks for all the input everyone...

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General Board / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 02, 2009, 04:59:33 PM »
Oh wow, thanks! I was way off then I guess.

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General Board / OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 02, 2009, 03:00:08 PM »

Should I attempt to be one of the first interviews with a firm on a given day or one of the last?

I am an early riser (usually get to school around 6:30a - 7:00a regardless) so I think my energy level would be good in the morning but then you stand the chance of being forgotten by the end of the day.

If I go at the end, maybe they already have a preconceived list of finalists...

What was your strategy?


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General Board / What does "Of Counsel" really mean?
« on: January 30, 2009, 11:03:13 AM »
If your not a partner or an associate what does it mean to be "Of Counsel"?

How is that role different? Do they just kind of come around to be of counsel every once and a while or what?

I always thought that they were all just really old, retired partners that were consulted from time to time but I have been seeing a lot of younger attorneys being "Of Counsel"...

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General Board / Splitting 1L Summer
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:35:31 PM »
Do firms generally allow 1Ls to split summers?

Also, what is the normal amount of time you are given to accept/decline an offer?

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Arkansas - Little Rock / Re: Anyone considering UALR this fall???
« on: January 25, 2009, 03:35:46 PM »
I am from the East coast so I definitely do not know anything about Arkansas, but I am very impressed with what I have seen from UALR. I haven't gotten a chance to visit, but I anticipate doing so within the next month or so. If you already attend or if you are planning to attend, and you are familiar with the area, can you give me a little bit of insight? There isn't much on this discussion board about UALR ironically so its been a bit of a wild goose chase for me!

I'd love to get feedback on the following topics:
Campus
Faculty
Students
Location
Job Prospects (not Biglaw... just decent respectable positions)
Diversity
Weather (lol  ::) I said I didn't know anything about Arkansas.. )
_________(Fill in the blank with anything that you think I've missed  ;D  )




Thank you for taking the time to read this and I do hope that I can get a better idea of the school from your responses. I am excited at the possibility of starting over somewhere completely new and different :-)




See my reply to the other LR thread. My knowledge of UALR is somewhat limited because i go to UA-Faye, but I am from Dallas originally and can tell you that it is not the parade of hillbillies that you would expect if you stick to LR and NW Arkansas. I actually love it here.

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