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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Need some advice
« on: February 10, 2009, 07:10:06 AM »

I'm with this guy. Saying that TTT and TTTT grads will not find a job as a blanket statement is just ridiculous. SO much depends on where you live or are willing to go to school.

I go to a TTT in a state where there are only two schools and mine is the slightly higher regarded of the two. We have one pretty big market with a handful of firms that pay well into the 6 figures for starting associates. We also have several decent sized markets that you can make good money in with a great quality of life and the states immediately bordering mine hire a lot of people from my schools during 2L summer.

If you are hell bent on being on a coast...maybe I would agree to an extent with the original argument. But those of us that aren't interested in that can do very well coming out of a state school with good grades. Even right now in this poo economy because our firms aren't the ones laying off hundreds of attys...

If you can do well enough on the LSAT to get into a TT I would encourage it. But if all you can muster is a TTT or TTTT, please think carefully before doing it. (You won't.)

BULLCRAP.  Any graduate from any school can get a job in law.  This LSAT is complete crap, and not every school relies on it so heavily.

I work at a law firm that hires interns out of Harvard and Yale and guess what?  All of them have sucked.  They all came to us with a sense of entitlement and they all cheated their way through their internships (by claiming graded credit when they didn't fulfill their obligations to the law firm).  I've witnessed a couple of them (from Yale) flunk the Massachusetts bar.



So scoring high on an LSAT and getting into a top tiered school doesn't mean the student's not an a-hole.  It just means the student's an a-hole with a sense of entitlement.

TTom, I highly encourage you to GO FOR IT.  Study up and take the test a third time in two years.  You seem like a thoughtful person who's discouraged, and don't let the negative blowhards on this site discourage you by saying you're not cut out for it.

If you want it badly enough, then you're cut out for it.  GO FOR IT.  All you really need to practice law is admission to a state bar.  Period.  Build your contacts now, do great in whatever school you attend (on whatever tier you can get into) and GO FOR IT.

I wish you all the best.  And to the blowhards who are negative, I wish all the worst.

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Current Law Students / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 04, 2009, 06:51:07 PM »

My only advice is don't make OCI your only strategy for finding a job. 


Ha, don't worry! I'm not at one of the Super Schools that most of you are. I definitely mass-mailed and networked my ass off over the last several months just to be sure I found at least one firm willing to let me learn on their dime this summer...but hopefully my grades will get me an OCI offer or two from the bigger firms as well!


So basically an OCI, and only an OCI offer, is the right one for you?

I understand your supposition that an OCI offer will be the right choice for you. But is it that an OCI offer, and only an OCI offer, is the way to go in your case?

No I mean that I have several interviews stemming from mass-mailings and networking so I don't have to completely rely on OCI. Although, I do think I will be pretty competitive for OCI and those ARE the biggest of the firms that I am interviewing with.

Honestly, I'm down with any decent-sized, paying firm for this summer for experience and a boost for my 2L resume.



Indeed, lawless, phaselee remark is kinda strange.

Glad I'm not the only one confused...

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Current Law Students / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 04, 2009, 06:17:19 PM »

My only advice is don't make OCI your only strategy for finding a job. 


Ha, don't worry! I'm not at one of the Super Schools that most of you are. I definitely mass-mailed and networked my ass off over the last several months just to be sure I found at least one firm willing to let me learn on their dime this summer...but hopefully my grades will get me an OCI offer or two from the bigger firms as well!


So basically an OCI, and only an OCI offer, is the right one for you?

I understand your supposition that an OCI offer will be the right choice for you. But is it that an OCI offer, and only an OCI offer, is the way to go in your case?

No I mean that I have several interviews stemming from mass-mailings and networking so I don't have to completely rely on OCI. Although, I do think I will be pretty competitive for OCI and those ARE the biggest of the firms that I am interviewing with.

Honestly, I'm down with any decent-sized, paying firm for this summer for experience and a boost for my 2L resume.


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Current Law Students / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 03, 2009, 07:24:41 PM »
My only advice is donít make OCI your only strategy for finding a job. 

Ha, don't worry! I'm not at one of the Super Schools that most of you are. I definitely mass-mailed and networked my ass off over the last several months just to be sure I found at least one firm willing to let me learn on their dime this summer...but hopefully my grades will get me an OCI offer or two from the bigger firms as well!


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Current Law Students / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 03, 2009, 11:46:17 AM »
Thanks for all the input everyone...

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Current Law Students / Re: OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 02, 2009, 02:59:33 PM »
Oh wow, thanks! I was way off then I guess.

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Current Law Students / OCI Strategy!!
« on: February 02, 2009, 01:00:08 PM »

Should I attempt to be one of the first interviews with a firm on a given day or one of the last?

I am an early riser (usually get to school around 6:30a - 7:00a regardless) so I think my energy level would be good in the morning but then you stand the chance of being forgotten by the end of the day.

If I go at the end, maybe they already have a preconceived list of finalists...

What was your strategy?


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Current Law Students / What does "Of Counsel" really mean?
« on: January 30, 2009, 09:03:13 AM »
If your not a partner or an associate what does it mean to be "Of Counsel"?

How is that role different? Do they just kind of come around to be of counsel every once and a while or what?

I always thought that they were all just really old, retired partners that were consulted from time to time but I have been seeing a lot of younger attorneys being "Of Counsel"...

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Current Law Students / Splitting 1L Summer
« on: January 29, 2009, 09:35:31 PM »
Do firms generally allow 1Ls to split summers?

Also, what is the normal amount of time you are given to accept/decline an offer?

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Current Law Students / Re: Bottom half of class after one semester..
« on: January 23, 2009, 05:33:38 PM »
My broad, optimistic advice....I think you can certainly work your way into the top 1/2 with a really good semester this spring. Then the bottom line is that, worst case scenario, you are in the top 1/2 of the class at the best school in your region. (One of at the very least)

As long as you aren't NY/LA/CHI or bust or something like that and you like the South you will be in great shape. I know everyone wants Top 10%, but just don't lose sight of the opportunity you've been given and that you still have.

So, I'm freaking out. I ended my first semester with a lowly 3.0 from Texas (3.3 curve), which puts me squarely in the bottom half of the class.

Although I could have studied harder (kept up with reading but my finals prep in the last two weeks definitely felt like cramming), I never imagined I would do this poorly. Now I am paying for it with tons of stress about loans and summer jobs, etc. I don't even feel like applying to spring OCI due to shame and embarrassment.

Can I get out of the hole with a lot of hard work? Or am I doomed with these sub-par grades? Sometimes I get really amped up and tell myself I'm going to dominate this semester, load up on summer school and dominate it, and get where I want to be. Other times I think its really unlikely.

Anyone here been in a similar spot and ended up relatively successful as far as jobs go?

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