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Where should I go next fall? / Re: multiple seat deposits
« on: April 15, 2008, 12:59:34 PM »
Yes, starting this year, schools will know (via LSAC) which students have put deposits down at other schools.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Public Interest- CUNY or NYLS
« on: April 14, 2008, 07:14:53 PM »
Mconnett I see in your LSN that you got accepted to CUNY law as well congrats!!! You interested in public interest?

Yes, and actually, CUNY was my initial #1 pick last fall when I decided to go to law school. I visited the campus for an open house in December and was impressed (the professor who gave the sample class was SUPERB, and the Dean -- who I met earlier at the law forum in Boston -- is very cool.)

A bit to my surprise, however, I have decided not to go to CUNY. The primary consideration for me in declining CUNY is $$. I happened to get a few nice scholarships at some other schools, and thus, it became harder to justify spending an extra 40K to go to CUNY. I am currently planning, therefore, on going to Temple in Philly.

That all said, I don't think ANY school in this country has anything resembling the same commitment to public interest that CUNY does. It simply blows all other schools out of the water in terms of incorporating public interest into the core fabric of its mission. So, yea, I would definitely recommend it over NYLS given your interests.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Public Interest- CUNY or NYLS
« on: April 14, 2008, 06:36:43 PM »
I would definitely choose CUNY. They have an excellent reputation for public interest law. That, coupled with the significantly lower tuition, makes this close-to-a-no-brainer in my view.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Penn, Emory, and Duke
« on: April 09, 2008, 08:25:51 PM »
I haven't heard back from Duke yet either. (applied feb 6th)

I did just hear from ND, however, and got in (with scholarship), so I'm hoping this means there still may be hope with Duke as well.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: ND ($) vs Temple ($$$$)
« on: April 08, 2008, 01:28:16 PM »
Well, I guess I'm just looking at the average LSAT scores and assuming that the higher LSAT scores among ND students would translate into a more competitive academic environment. That said, I don't expect Temple to be easy whatsoever. Indeed, I think both will prove extremely challenging to me -- and I just hope my 1L experience doesn't mirror this YouTube video too closely!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ABhatAfsA

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: ND ($) vs Temple ($$$$)
« on: April 08, 2008, 01:25:23 PM »
Do you know where you'd like to practice?

Just curious why do you think you would do better at Temple than ND?

Well, I guess I'm just looking at the average LSAT scores and assuming that the higher LSAT scores among ND students would translate into a more competitive academic environment. That said, I don't expect Temple to be easy whatsoever. Indeed, I think both will prove extremely challenging to me -- and I just hope my 1L experience doesn't mirror this YouTube video too closely!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ABhatAfsA

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: ND ($) vs Temple ($$$$)
« on: April 08, 2008, 12:53:12 PM »
Do you know where you'd like to practice?

I really don't have a strong preference yet -- which makes picking a school a little bit more tricky. This is actually one of the concerns I have with Temple: that while it's great for landing jobs in Philly, it doesn't give as much geographic flexibility as ND.

However, then again, I've heard that after you land your first job, your school becomes less important, and progressively less so with the more work experience you accumulate. So, if I do go to Temple, I may try to first land a job in Philly, and then use that job as the launching pad for something else.

All said, I'm starting to think my best course is to go to Temple, and try my best to excel (e.g. top 10-15%) rather than go to ND where I may end up in the 50% region, or less.

Before giving up on ND, however, I'm going to give them a call to learn more about the LRAP and try to negotiate an increase in scholarship if possible (a long shot, but worth a try).

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: ND ($) vs Temple ($$$$)
« on: April 08, 2008, 11:07:16 AM »
Thanks everyone. (This has given me some good food for thought. (DCLabor, I've found your posts here and elsewhere on the board, particularly helpful in their sober clarity. I sometimes need a good dose of that...)

On a bit of a lighter note, I'd be interested to hear from any ND'ers on how unbearable social life would be for someone (like myself) who doesn't like college football at all? (From what I've read, football plays a pretty big part in the campus culture, and this makes me slightly wary.)

Also, is there truth to the claim that the student body is pretty conservative?

Thnx again!

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Where should I go next fall? / ND ($) vs Temple ($$$$)
« on: April 07, 2008, 07:29:06 PM »
It took a while, but I just got an acceptance letter from Notre Dame, with a 14K annual scholarship. This now raises the ever perplexing $$-vs-rankings question as I have a full-scholarship offer from Temple.

My interest in law is public interest (working for an advocacy organization like ACLU, Innocence Project, or Center for Constitutional Rights) and teaching. Ideally, I would work for 5-10 years in PI after graduation, and then return to law school for an LLM or JSD and become a professor.

With that as background, I'd be interested in any thoughts on what would be the better choice: Notre Dame (with 100K debt) or Temple (with 40K debt)?

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This is one of the best threads I've read for a while. Thanks for starting it.

I'd be interested to hear more about why litigation and procedure courses are critical for PI work. (I must confess that I don't know much about law yet, or the courses offered at law school - so I apologize if this is a really dumb question.)

Also, what do folks think about the PI-value of a good trial advocacy program? I've been offered full tuition at Temple, which seems to have the best trial advocacy program in the country -- so I'm wondering how much I should take advantage of this fact if I attend?

I'm also weighing whether I should go with a full-tuition offer from Temple, or accept offers from higher ranked schools like Notre Dame (14K/yr scholarship) or Ohio State University (13k/yr scholarship). Is ND or OSU worth an extra 40-60K in debt?

(From what I've read, ND has a pretty conservative student body and faculty, which isn't a deal-breaker, but it makes me pause - especially since I don't like college football.)

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