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Current Law Students / Re: What has the biggest impact on 1L grades?
« on: January 08, 2009, 08:31:33 PM »
Mentally sharp with the facts, yeah, but my 4 years were spent being taught: focus on one thing, take only one side, and try and figure out the most minute, most interesting detail and blow it up. Forget and ignore everything else. It's useful if you're going into, say, Literature academia, but not so much for anything else.

Law is the opposite: I was reading the exam answers the professor posted, and it has all sorts of almost unrelated facts and cases ... he just wanted you to consider them. We were taught that this is the worst possible thing to do with English work, so alas, I did not do it. and got a B-.

Current Law Students / Re: What has the biggest impact on 1L grades?
« on: January 08, 2009, 06:49:33 PM »
Everyone's equally intelligent in law school ... chances are everyone has similar LSATs, GPAs, backgrounds, etc, and those are all "intelligence qualifiers" in the same way people are using law school exams to make the same judgment. Except, of course, the people who vote "intelligence" are often voting to flatter themselves.

The only option on here that's probably more relevant than any of the options is practical common sense. As in, having the common sense to understand you have to completely unlearn your past academic background (if you have one) and relearn things the "law school way", which is a way of thinking that only exists in law school and seems to have nothing to do with law. Otherwise you go back to past habits that will destroy you. That's what happened to me.

Note to English major 0Ls: forget everything you were taught the past 4 years about approaching problems. It's the exact opposite of what you need to do in law school.

Will his advice be "drop out" ala Wiimote?

I want to do public interest, but I got a B- (5 credits), a B (4 credits), a B+ (2 credits, though), and one class TBD (3 credits). I go to one of the Tier 2s in NYC. Should I just drop out now or what? I'm way below 50% here (2.98 compared to 3.1 for 50%). This is terrible.

Is it possible to get a good public interest summer internship with grades like that? It's amazing how much a first semester can determine an entire career path.

Job Search / Bad first semester grades, mediocre school ... what now?
« on: January 07, 2009, 04:44:53 PM »
I want to do public interest, but I got a B- (5 credits), a B (4 credits), a B+ (2 credits, though), and one class TBD (3 credits). I go to a Tier 2 in NYC. Should I just drop out now or what? I'm below 50% here. THis is terrible.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Cardozo or re-test?
« on: June 27, 2008, 09:44:20 AM »
Anna Ivey writes to flatter her clients, i.e.,, well-heeled Ivy League kids. She has some genuinely bad advice to offer. Also, if you want to practice law, a little less than 160k is just fine for some people. You shouldn't even become a lawyer if a big paycheck is what you want. There are people weird enough to actually enjoy the BS that law is. and don't say, "well u gotta have 100,000,00 to apyh off loasn!!!" Yeah, but you can pay off loans fine with 90k, too. Unless you're some money grubbing parasite who wants to buy 10 brand new BMWs and a 10 story house in Westchester at the age of 29. If that's the case then you've got more serious issues to deal with then whether you get into a Vault 40000 firm or not.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Cardozo or re-test?
« on: June 26, 2008, 11:07:58 PM »
Even if you score a 170+, you're not guaranteed admission to a school like Fordham, particularly with that GPA. GW, perhaps. You might even get into GW if you don't retake the LSATs and reapply this coming cycle, though due to the current economic downturn, the popular advice to all the laid off Wall Streeters is "apply to law school!" Guess what that's going to do law school admissions standards?

The Cardozo big law thing is more like ... top 20%, so don't listen to that feminine hygiene product above. The statistics show it-about 14% of students go into a NLJ250 firm, and if you assume the very top students go for prestigious clerkships or government work (which happens pretty regularly), then you probably have a shot at an NLJ250 firm if you're in that top 20% realm.

MarianaBLS is one of the regulars on and is well known for every post saying, "Brooklyn Law school is *&^% scam f-ing nightmare scum bags of death destroy the dean of brooklyn law TTT trash". Seems like she's brought her schtick over to this corner.

This Wiimote dude is obivously autistic or OCD. He keeps obsessively posting the same garbage over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Even if you get a TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT degree and only dig up a 40-60k job that evolves into into 100k after 5 years (pretty common occurrence even in the worst case scenarios), with the new payback systems set up by the federal government, student loans wouldn't even be that bad. Compare that to what you can do with a bad undergrad degree--most people don't even break 60k after 10 years even in white collar work.

So, if you want to practice law and are a strong student, you could probably go to the worst law school and come out better off than having not gone. The problem comes with the people who want to make a quick buck the easiest way possible, or do it for some sense of self-esteem they lack in their own lives, or do it because they have no idea what they want to do with their lives. Lack of focus, lack of ambition and work ethic, etc., seems to screw people more than going to a middle-ranked law school.

Those "law school horror story" articles are way out of date anyway; that Chicago lady who's a PD ... if she graduated now and got that job, her loan payments would be only 15% of her discretionary income and if she stays in that field for 10 years, no more debt, all thanks to the new federal LRAP.

There's more to law than NLJ 40000 VAULT 20000000, and with school and federal repayment plans, you could be in 1,000,000 worth of debt, take a "defend homeless drifter" job, and survive. You don't need those 200,000,000k starting salaries to pay off loans now. That's the whole point of the new federal program.

Let's just say what everyone wants to say: the only people who should go to law school are the ones who did well enough on the LSATs to get into the T25. That is all.

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