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« on: March 21, 2008, 06:24:11 PM »
I read the whole thread. But thanks for the "smarter than everyone else" thing. I'll agree that I certainly am smart enough to recognize an insult when I see one! So...probably I'll start behaving true to form and tell you to shove your snide little remarks in the proverbially appropriate place for them. Goodness knows I wouldn't want to confuse the regulars.
Apparently I'm too full of crap to fit any more in my proverbially appropriate place.
I guess I have too much faith in the goodness of people. Maybe I should choose a different profession? I guess I just believe that family holds the key to solving some of the worlds worst problems. Good mothers and good fathers working together can make a big difference, and apparently many of you believe that I'm full of (Insert preferred expletive) I guess it's naive to believe that people are less racist when they are raised in a home with a responsible mother and father.
I guess it's naive to believe that as people are less racist, that society will become less racist.
I'm just a dreamer! but I'm not the only one.
It's been so much fun to have this discussion with all of you. I'm not generally regarded as a naive idiot, and I feel like this has been good preparation for the future.
Thank you for your opinions
« on: March 21, 2008, 06:02:28 PM »
Reply to Dash:
I know you haven't read the whole thread, so you probably haven't seen that i've admitted multiple times that I'm naive because I live in a community that really doesn't send anybody to death row.
I'm open minded, and I changed my opinion early on in the discussion. I understand why you didn't want to read all 7 pages, because you're probably busy being smarter than everyone else.
You think i'm stubborn and stupid because I'm unwilling to see the forest through the trees. I sort of care what you think, so I'll do my best to explain.
I believe in taking on challenges that are in front of me, and at this moment in my life, I'm focused on raising my children. As a result, I see their purity and their goodness and I have a hard time believing that, given societies ongoing evolution, children will harbor the same ill will toward other races.
I think we are less racist than we were 30 years ago. I don't really care if you aggree.
I think the most important thing I can ever do is to be a good father.
Thanks for being civil. I wouldn't want you to be uncivil toward someone you don't know anything about.
« on: March 21, 2008, 05:43:14 PM »
Okay, I'm admitting that my defenition is too Narrow/Incomplete, but my definition isn't wrong.
I'll try to do what I can. None of you have tried to answer my question though.
What should I do? What can an individual do to help?
I have one partial solution and you basically mocked it.
We need to strengthen the family and
strenghten the educational system.
Go ahead and mock that too.
« on: March 21, 2008, 05:26:56 PM »
I already told you that I aggree we need to fix the problem with the death penalty.
I'm talking about society as a whole, not just the justice system. The best way for me to measure how society thinks is by how they spend their money and what news they are most interested in.
Obama, Oprah, and Tiger are 3 very strong examples of people who most likely wouldn't have been able to succeed in their efforts if this were the 1970s.
Have we acheived true equality? Maybe not. But I believe that there are more opportunities for minorities than there were in the 1970s.
I define racism as a belief that one race should have more rights and opportunities than another.
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:58:01 PM »
Fine, you win... I guess society is more racist, I mean goodness... If affirmative action existed in the 1920's people would have accepted it with open arms! Tiger woods must have magically hypnotized people, White people don't REALLY like to watch him golf. And we must be racist! I guess the only reason Obama is getting the majority is because he's got a white grandmother. It couldn't be because our country is ready to choose based on qualifications and not skin tone.
You got me... you're brilliant!
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:27:57 PM »
I think what people are generally saying is that "examining the process and fixing it" might be the exact opposite of "letting racism fade away." Believing that your kids will be less racist is, ultimately, neither here nor there, but people are also disagreeing with your evidence for believing that generations are naturally less racist than those who came before, which seemed to be the gist of what you were saying.
I don't think generations are naturally
less racist, but I do think that society is causing less racism than it was before. And at least people are being more respectful even if they harbor ill feelings for a particular race.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that people are becoming more racist?
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:07:51 PM »
Dashrashi: if what you say is true then we do need to examine the process and fix it.
But nomatter how you look at it, people shouldn't think I'm stupid just because I believe that my children will be better than I am.
I think we all need to remember that EVERYONE has to do their part. I've identified that at this time in my life I need to focus on raising my kids to be good people. That doesn't mean that I wont do what's right if I get the opportunity to defend victims or right the wrongs of society. Don't mistake my optimism for indifference, and don't mistake my hope for ignorance.
« on: March 21, 2008, 03:40:18 PM »
...I think that part of the dismantling of that trend has to be talking about it openly, owning it as our problem, analyzing it, and taking steps to erase the possibility of it ever happening again. A very active process, and not one we can hope time will accomplish on its own.
I'm not saying that time will heal all wounds. I think that actively teaching our children and the next generation to be tolerant, just and wise is a VERY effective way of fighting racism, don't you?
« on: March 21, 2008, 03:28:36 PM »
I didn't know I had a profanity filter turned on. I wonder what people are really saying to me.
I just want to thank everyone for your comments.
You made a lot of good points. I'm mostly examining this in the context of friendship. I doubt my children will have any reason to choose their friends based on skin color. If I used skin color to choose my friends then I wasn't aware of it.
You're pretty funny. I'm sorry you think I'm a moron. Now stop being a jackass. Tell me what you think I should do better.
What do you mean by "Dismantling"?
I am speaking about this issue from my point of view. Apparently nobody thinks I know what I'm talking about. Does everyone out there really disagree with me? Don't minorities now have equal rights as far as the law is concerned? What else can we do other than teach the next generation that all men are truly created equal?
« on: March 21, 2008, 01:57:39 PM »
I guess we should change the title of the thread.
"You can't judge a book by it's cover or a man by his skin, but it's okay to judge a thread by it's title"
"You're racist, you just don't know it"
"I know more about your family than you do"
"Quit starting threads about wrong poo"
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