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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 01:03:27 PM »
I think it would be difficult, but devilishly blue, you and a couple other smart people could bang this out in a few weeks.  

What makes a good lawyer?  Would that google engineer develop the skills he needs?
Would a bagger develop communication and critical thinking skills?
Would you have to learn important skills in order to be an inredible waitress?

I've read books on management that break careers down by the attributes that are needed to succeed, and I don't think it would be impossible to do that for the legal field.

I'm sure you could identify a few attributes that would be beneficial off the top of your head.  
Organization, networking ability, sales skills, communication skills etc.

GPA and LSAT don't necessarily reflect your abilities in those areas.

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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:18:33 PM »
After you evaluate work experience and assign points, you add those points onto the GPA.


So if you had a 3.0 GPA applicant with an AMAZING resume you could ad .4 onto their GPA and evaluate them against the other 3.4 candidates based on their LORs and personal statement.

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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:16:41 PM »
Well, but then you get back to the basic problem: how exactly do you measure soft factors?  Do you just score them 1-10?  Do you have the same evaluator do every single applicant, just so that there's no arbitrary differences?

PS: Duke pride comes from undergrad days.

I figured that after I clicked on your LSN link.  All of the schools you've been accepted to probably have enough amazing applicants.

It wouldn't take that much time for a few smart people to come up with an evaluation system.  I'm sure it would have to be unique for each school.

I would probably evaluate their work experience based on a few factors:

Length of time:  This shows loyalty and trend.  This could be evaluated easily.

Promotions: This shows that they impressed their employers.  Easy to evaluate.

Mental Difficulty of position. This would be hard to evaluate, but no harder then evaluating the strength of an undergraduate institution.

Performance:  I would ask on my application for resumes to focus in their success in relation to the rest of their company. If I could verify that they were the best salesperson in a company with 300 employees then I would give that high marks.


Some schools have taken my 60 bucks and 4 months of my life to make a decision. They could make a couple phone calls.




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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:03:09 PM »
How do they measure it now?  just take the current evaluation of work experience and expand it to 33%.
  They don't do it quantitatively.  They don't assign weights to GPAs or LSATs; they just look at them.  They want high numbers, and -- yes, they value work experience.  There's no formula for this.

Well then there should be.  Once again, I'm not necessarily talking about the top 20 schools, maybe even the top 50.  
A school ranked just outside the top 50 should not be so obsessed with improving their ranking that they don't consider an amazing resume just because the GPA is low.  An incredible performance as a professional should count for as much as a great performance in school for most schools outside the top 50

Duke is probably a good enough school that they really don't have much of a problem.  They will have enough amazing soft factors to go around.  

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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:46:24 AM »
I think that should change.  I think it sucks that you have to go to a T3 or T4 school if you want them to emphasize in real world preparation.  I'm going to law school to improve my career. 

And there is a major difference between a resume that says "Worked as a bank teller" and a resume that says, "Closed 7 million in acquistion and development loans last year and another 3.5 million in the first quarter of this year"

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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:40:19 AM »
I just want to say that I'm not trying to intrude on your top 20 schools.  The elite law schools probably have an entirely different outlook on work experience.  Harvard has a huge selection of high gpas and high LSATs to choose from.  

I'm mostly concerned about T2 schools.  Going to a school ranked 65th isn't going to automatically get you a good job, so I think work experience is even more valuable.

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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:32:43 AM »
1/3rd?  How are you going to measure this?  Just grade them all 1-10?  By some standards, you could already argue that most law schools use soft factors as perhaps 20% of their decision, in that a pure numbers process would probably change their student body by at least 20%.

How do they measure it now?  just take the current evaluation of work experience and expand it to 33%.
People on ad-coms should be smart enough to tell the difference between meaningful work experience and wasted work experience.  If my resume is great, then that should go a long way. 

The important question is whether or not you think that good work experience will prepare you for a career in law.  If you don't, then it shouldn't be worth anything.

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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:29:22 AM »
I don't really know what the official definition of "soft factors" is, but I think your resume, extracurricular success (not just involvement) and your special factors (Foreign language, foreign experience, volunteer work etc)  Should account for a lot.  Personal statements and LORs should probably be tie-breakers.


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Law School Applications / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:12:15 AM »
I don't think anyone was saying you were stupid, I think they just disagreed with you. Anyway,

1) Possibly
2) Absolutely
3) Somewhat --> Depends on your major
4) No

I think ad-coms should use soft factors as 1/3 of their decision.  Some people do indeed think that idea is stupid, but maybe they don't think I'm stupid.

Thanks for your answers.

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Law School Applications / Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 10:58:05 AM »
Last time I asked about this, a bunch of people just told me I was stupid because Ad-coms don't care that much about work experience.
This time, I want to hear your opinions on the value of professional work experience before law school.

Does professional work experience before law school prepare you for a career in law?
Should pre-law students avoid working if it hurts their grades?
Does your sucess in undergrad really have much to do with your success in law school?
Would most undergrads get the same grades whether they work or not?

Discuss.. Call me an idiot.. business as usual.   :)

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