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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 10:03:09 AM »
How do they measure it now?  just take the current evaluation of work experience and expand it to 33%.
  They don't do it quantitatively.  They don't assign weights to GPAs or LSATs; they just look at them.  They want high numbers, and -- yes, they value work experience.  There's no formula for this.

Well then there should be.  Once again, I'm not necessarily talking about the top 20 schools, maybe even the top 50.  
A school ranked just outside the top 50 should not be so obsessed with improving their ranking that they don't consider an amazing resume just because the GPA is low.  An incredible performance as a professional should count for as much as a great performance in school for most schools outside the top 50

Duke is probably a good enough school that they really don't have much of a problem.  They will have enough amazing soft factors to go around.  

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 09:46:24 AM »
I think that should change.  I think it sucks that you have to go to a T3 or T4 school if you want them to emphasize in real world preparation.  I'm going to law school to improve my career. 

And there is a major difference between a resume that says "Worked as a bank teller" and a resume that says, "Closed 7 million in acquistion and development loans last year and another 3.5 million in the first quarter of this year"

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 09:40:19 AM »
I just want to say that I'm not trying to intrude on your top 20 schools.  The elite law schools probably have an entirely different outlook on work experience.  Harvard has a huge selection of high gpas and high LSATs to choose from.  

I'm mostly concerned about T2 schools.  Going to a school ranked 65th isn't going to automatically get you a good job, so I think work experience is even more valuable.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 09:32:43 AM »
1/3rd?  How are you going to measure this?  Just grade them all 1-10?  By some standards, you could already argue that most law schools use soft factors as perhaps 20% of their decision, in that a pure numbers process would probably change their student body by at least 20%.

How do they measure it now?  just take the current evaluation of work experience and expand it to 33%.
People on ad-coms should be smart enough to tell the difference between meaningful work experience and wasted work experience.  If my resume is great, then that should go a long way. 

The important question is whether or not you think that good work experience will prepare you for a career in law.  If you don't, then it shouldn't be worth anything.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 09:29:22 AM »
I don't really know what the official definition of "soft factors" is, but I think your resume, extracurricular success (not just involvement) and your special factors (Foreign language, foreign experience, volunteer work etc)  Should account for a lot.  Personal statements and LORs should probably be tie-breakers.


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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 09:12:15 AM »
I don't think anyone was saying you were stupid, I think they just disagreed with you. Anyway,

1) Possibly
2) Absolutely
3) Somewhat --> Depends on your major
4) No

I think ad-coms should use soft factors as 1/3 of their decision.  Some people do indeed think that idea is stupid, but maybe they don't think I'm stupid.

Thanks for your answers.

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Law School Admissions / Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 08:58:05 AM »
Last time I asked about this, a bunch of people just told me I was stupid because Ad-coms don't care that much about work experience.
This time, I want to hear your opinions on the value of professional work experience before law school.

Does professional work experience before law school prepare you for a career in law?
Should pre-law students avoid working if it hurts their grades?
Does your sucess in undergrad really have much to do with your success in law school?
Would most undergrads get the same grades whether they work or not?

Discuss.. Call me an idiot.. business as usual.   :)

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I read the whole thread. But thanks for the "smarter than everyone else" thing. I'll agree that I certainly am smart enough to recognize an insult when I see one! So...probably I'll start behaving true to form and tell you to shove your snide little remarks in the proverbially appropriate place for them. Goodness knows I wouldn't want to confuse the regulars.

Apparently I'm too full of crap to fit any more in my proverbially appropriate place.

I guess I have too much faith in the goodness of people.  Maybe I should choose a different profession?  I guess I just believe that family holds the key to solving some of the worlds worst problems.  Good mothers and good fathers working together can make a big difference, and apparently many of you believe that I'm full of (Insert preferred expletive)  I guess it's naive to believe that people are less racist when they are raised in a home with a responsible mother and father.
I guess it's naive to believe that as people are less racist, that society will become less racist.
I'm just a dreamer!  but I'm not the only one.

It's been so much fun to have this discussion with all of you. I'm not generally regarded as a naive idiot, and I feel like this has been good preparation for the future.
Thank you for your opinions

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Reply to Dash:

I know you haven't read the whole thread, so you probably haven't seen that i've admitted multiple times that I'm naive because I live in a community that really doesn't send anybody to death row.
I'm open minded, and I changed my opinion early on in the discussion.  I understand why you didn't want to read all 7 pages, because you're probably busy being smarter than everyone else.

You think i'm stubborn and stupid because I'm unwilling to see the forest through the trees.  I sort of care what you think, so I'll do my best to explain.

I believe in taking on challenges that are in front of me, and at this moment in my life, I'm focused on raising my children.  As a result, I see their purity and their goodness and I have a hard time believing that, given societies ongoing evolution, children will harbor the same ill will toward other races.

I think we are less racist than we were 30 years ago.  I don't really care if you aggree.
I think the most important thing I can ever do is to be a good father.

Thanks for being civil.  I wouldn't want you to be uncivil toward someone you don't know anything about.  

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Okay, I'm admitting that my defenition is too Narrow/Incomplete, but my definition isn't wrong.
I'll try to do what I can.  None of you have tried to answer my question though.
What should I do?  What can an individual do to help?

I have one partial solution and you basically mocked it.  

We need to strengthen the family and
strenghten the educational system.

Go ahead and mock that too.

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