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What specifically would you like them to be less secretive about?

As for "the better the school, the better off I am", that (it seems to me) has less to do with ad comms and more to do with, in some order, personal egos, actual job prospects, and message boards like this one.

Why do schools take so long to reject candidates?  If a school has a 90% chance of rejecting an applicant, they will still hesitate because they are too worried about their ranking.  If they don't get a good crop of applicants then they want to have back-ups.
You can say that a person wants to go to a particular school because of his ego, but I think it has a lot more to do with job placement.  Most people figure that higher ranked schools have more participating recruiters.  I don't want to get into my top 50 school so that I can brag about which school I went to, I want to go to that school because it's the only school located in the market I want to work in.  I probably won't get in because they are obsessed with getting higher GPAs.  And it will still take 4 months to reject me.







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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Is this Really the Case?
« on: March 24, 2008, 01:12:35 PM »
I probably know a lot less than you about this subject, but I do know that some students are better at consistanly getting high scores on tests throughout the year. 
Most law school grades are based on one nasty final test, and anyone can have a bad day once in a while. 
I had a scholarship offer that was based on getting in the top 10% of my class in order to keep it beyond the first year.  Most people told me that a smart person who works very very hard can almost be guaranteed a spot in the top 1/3 of the class, but that top 10% is never a sure thing.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Should I call them?
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:59:44 PM »
I called them and they said that I'll be getting an answer in the mail this week.

Thanks for your help.


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Law School Admissions / Re: Should I call them?
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:53:51 PM »
They have a status checker but it doesn't change after complete.
I just want to make sure it's not lost in the mail.
(I think our mailman is on crack)

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Law School Admissions / Should I call them?
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:46:45 PM »
One school i'm waiting for says on their website that they handle applications in the order they are completed. They say you should get an answer in 5-10 weeks after completion. It's been 13 weeks for me. People who went complete after me started to get acceptances and rejections a few weeks ago.

Should I call them? 
If yes, then do you have any suggestions on what I should say?


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Law School Admissions / Re: REJECTED, ETC. TODAY
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:12:12 PM »
Rejected at BYU.  I knew it was coming, but it shouldn't have taken so long.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:07:14 PM »
I understand the difficulties and I feel like the sports analogy is a very good one.

The process would end up being subjective, but it would still make a difference.
Currently the ranking system is partially based on the LSAT/GPA of admitted students.  There is no way that a school can raise their rank by admitting a bunch of amazing sales people with low GPAs. 

My key frustration with the process isn't necessarily that I can't go to the law school I want to go to.  If I knew I was going to law school sooner, I would have had to put more attention into getting As.  I'm going to a great school.
The major frustration I find is that nobody can tell me what makes a good lawyer. 
Law schools mainly look at LSAT and GPA, which don't really give a good indication of your future sucess in the legal field.
Law schools will accept an applicant based on whether or not they fit in a particular box.
It would be nice if a highly ranked school just threw out all the old logic and started drafting different kinds of players.  (I still wouldn't get in, but it would be interesting to see the results 10 years later)

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:03:27 AM »
I think it would be difficult, but devilishly blue, you and a couple other smart people could bang this out in a few weeks.  

What makes a good lawyer?  Would that google engineer develop the skills he needs?
Would a bagger develop communication and critical thinking skills?
Would you have to learn important skills in order to be an inredible waitress?

I've read books on management that break careers down by the attributes that are needed to succeed, and I don't think it would be impossible to do that for the legal field.

I'm sure you could identify a few attributes that would be beneficial off the top of your head.  
Organization, networking ability, sales skills, communication skills etc.

GPA and LSAT don't necessarily reflect your abilities in those areas.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 10:18:33 AM »
After you evaluate work experience and assign points, you add those points onto the GPA.


So if you had a 3.0 GPA applicant with an AMAZING resume you could ad .4 onto their GPA and evaluate them against the other 3.4 candidates based on their LORs and personal statement.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Academic Excellence VS. Work Experience
« on: March 24, 2008, 10:16:41 AM »
Well, but then you get back to the basic problem: how exactly do you measure soft factors?  Do you just score them 1-10?  Do you have the same evaluator do every single applicant, just so that there's no arbitrary differences?

PS: Duke pride comes from undergrad days.

I figured that after I clicked on your LSN link.  All of the schools you've been accepted to probably have enough amazing applicants.

It wouldn't take that much time for a few smart people to come up with an evaluation system.  I'm sure it would have to be unique for each school.

I would probably evaluate their work experience based on a few factors:

Length of time:  This shows loyalty and trend.  This could be evaluated easily.

Promotions: This shows that they impressed their employers.  Easy to evaluate.

Mental Difficulty of position. This would be hard to evaluate, but no harder then evaluating the strength of an undergraduate institution.

Performance:  I would ask on my application for resumes to focus in their success in relation to the rest of their company. If I could verify that they were the best salesperson in a company with 300 employees then I would give that high marks.


Some schools have taken my 60 bucks and 4 months of my life to make a decision. They could make a couple phone calls.




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