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Law School Applications / Re: Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 04:21:31 PM »

Your GPA is an indicator of your ability to be responsible and do the work that is asked of you for four years. Whether or not you think that some GPAs are worth more than others, depending on the school or program of study, GPAs are still very important. Unlinke the LSAT, the GPA measures your acheivment over four years, 35-40 courses, with hundredes of graded assigments asssed by a variety of different people. Certainly, you can game the system and get a better GPA by doing less work (avoiding profs who are reputed to be hard graders, etc.), but hell--gaming the system is a useful skill that can make you a more successful attorney.

If the GPA is from a reputable school with a rigorous course of study, then it means a whole lot more than the LSAT.

And congrats on your high GPA.  You are awesome and I'm sure you're super responsible.

I've been a 4.0 student in some semesters and a 3.0 student in others, I recognize that the difference really isn't that substantial. 
if you slack off your freshman year of undergrad, it doesn't mean that you'll slack off in law school.

People don't really change, but motivations change a whole lot.

Law School Applications / Re: Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 03:46:09 PM »
Someone needs to rickroll this thread.

Stewie got a high GPA at an ivy-league school so he doesn't like talking about this.

Law School Applications / Re: Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 03:27:24 PM »

I agree. Where'd 25% come from?

the arse.

Yeah that's basically correct. I just think it's pretty much split into 4 categories, 25% each..
Intelligence, work ethic, personality/charisma, motivation.
 It's not science, just a fart of information.

Law School Applications / Re: Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 03:04:01 PM »
landing high paying job =/= good attorney

however, i do agree that a high LSAT will open more doors for you. i think that's what you're getting at. i don't think i'd describe it has predictive of being a good attorney though.

You're right.  There is a big difference between financial success of an attorney and effectiveness.
I do think that the ability to do well on the LSAT does indicate a good level of intelligence and critical thinking skills.
That's why I think it makes up 25% of being a good lawyer.

Either way,  GPA means way less than most people think.

Law School Applications / Re: Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 02:56:09 PM »
that was the single greatest thread hi-jack ever...

however, i have to correct the OP that the LSAT is not predictive of being a good attorney. it is predictive of success (i.e. good grades) in the 1st year of law school.

I'm always down for a good discussion about food, but forgive me for replying to something non-chipotle related.

A good score on the LSAT may not be the cause of success as an attorney, but high a LSAT score increases the chances of admission into a high ranked school, and going to a highly ranked school increases the chances of landing a high paying job.

Law School Applications / Re: Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 01:56:50 PM »
I like Costco Hot Dogs.  $1.50 for a drink and a polish.

Law School Applications / Top 14 vs everyone else
« on: April 01, 2008, 01:51:04 PM »
Students who go to the top 14 schools get better grades and lsat scores than everyone else.  They may even be smarter than everyone else.

I wish that someone could do an experiment and take all of the students at Yale, and put them in a T2 school. Then take the students from the T2 school and put them at Yale.
Would the tables suddenly turn? 

I don't really have any idea what would happen, but it would be cool to see the results.
I aggree that LSAT is a good measurement of what makes a sucessful lawyer.  It's possible that the ability to do well on the LSAT accounts for about 25% of the skills it takes to be a good lawyer.
I think GPA is a bunch of crap though.  What is the quality difference between a 3.0 and a 3.5 student?  Is that difference equal to the quality difference between a 3.4 and a 3.9?  What about a 2.5 and 3.0?
What's the real correlation between undergrad GPA and Law GPA?

Maybe the average T2 student won't make a better lawyer than the average T14 student.
But a lot of T2 students will be better lawyers than a lot of T14 students even though the T2ers went to "less respected" schools.

I think there is more to diversity than skin color or foreign experience.

People with severe medical trauma in their history, students that come from broken families, athletes, hippies,  etc.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / What books should I read?
« on: March 31, 2008, 01:19:46 PM »
I'm an OL and I've got some extra time for the next few months, so I want to read a couple books about law school.
I used the search function to look through past threads, but I couldn't tell which books would be the best. 

Can anybody give me some suggestions?  Can you also tell me why the book you are recommending is worthwhile?

Law School Applications / Re: In-State Tuition
« on: March 28, 2008, 01:13:37 PM »
Basically I'm pissed because my home-state school rejected me, and the School I'm planning on attending raised their tuition by 5k a year.
So now I'm stuck between going to an expensive out of state T2 school or going to a T3 on scholarship.

I've paid a lot of taxes in my home state and my parents will continute to pay, and now the only school in my state has rejected me.
Why should a student who gets accepted in-state get the benefit?  We're not talking about a scholarship.   I want to further my education and then return back to this state to work, so my state should encourage that.

I think The state of Utah should give me the 15k per year subsidy that they give in-state students after I come home, pass the bar, and get a job.
They could put the money directly on my loans, or I could use the subsidy for a down payment on a house, proving my loyalty.

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