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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 04:18:20 PM »

I just figured that since your Mom did such a good job of telling you what to eat, she might as well be the Junk Food Czar over at the FDA.

Do you really think fat people don't know that it's bad to be fat?  They get ridiculed daily.  I don't think you need to Government spending my money to remind them that it's a bad thing.

My mom always told me what to eat but as soon as I left home all of her advice went out the window.  

So you're anti Public Service Announcements?
You do sound a bit like a libertarian.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 03:56:41 PM »
Well sorry I called you a jackass.  I didn't realize you were seriously motivating my mom to determine the boundaries of "junk food"  I'm sure she'll feel honored.

I'm not a member of any political party.  I guess I'm a capitalist.  I believe that the power of free markets will cause both good and evil.  I don't think the free market can correct this problem because the government is protecting fat people.  It sucks that some people have genes give them a predisposition to being fat, but being fat is bad.  It's almost as bad as smoking.

Companies should be allowed to mandate weight loss if they feel it would save their employees money on health insurance
Fat people should be charged extra money to fly on airplanes or sit in a movie theatre.
It's difficult to define "fat" because it's not as if a movie theatre can weigh and measure its' patrons.

I hear "ad council" messages on the radio all the time coming out against smoking, and drugs, in addition to messages convincing people to help those around them that are depressed.

I think people should be reminded that if you are fat:

You have a higher risk of heart disease
You have a very significant risk of diabetes
You are shortening your life span
You have a much higher risk of certain types of cancer
Your sex life won't be as good
Your energy levels will be low
People probably won't like you as much

Check out this comparison chart

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Hey Liberals! Read this!
« on: April 03, 2008, 03:30:05 PM »
I'm a moderate about taxes.  I'm not proposing a fair tax, and I'm not proposing that we eliminate taxes on the rich.  (I do think that rich people are better at creating wealth than the government)
I just think liberals should stop complaining about the unfair tax burden when the upper half of income earners pay more than 96% of the taxes.

I think Elroy is an idiot who's obsessed with burritos.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 03:25:56 PM »
Obesity is bad.

Dekocards, I can tell that you're very smart, but you're acting kind of defensive.
It's almost like you assume that I would answer yes to all of those questions.
I wouldn't.
So, rather than be a jackass, why don't you tell the class what steps we can/should take to counteract America's fattass problem.

I think fat people can be motivated to lose weight by means other than coercion.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 01:43:33 PM »

Wow great argument, "You don't know what coercion means!"  Ya kidding me?  The government monopolizes violence within its political boundaries yes?  It requires you to pay taxes on your earnings and consumption, yes?  These are not coercive?  Please explain to me how the government runs ANY program without coercion.  What difference does a party affiliation make in this, you haven't brought a single decent argument to the table.  Of course there shouldn't be more taxes on cigarettes.  Why should the government decide for me whether I should smoke? Do you have a good reason besides, "It's bad for you?"  Or do you just follow the popular opinion of the day in making your decisions on what the government should force people to do?

We already force children to go to schoool (coercion) we force them to take gym classes (coercion).  Your great idea is to force more tax money to go to sports programs (still coercion, even if indirectly)? That will change a whole lot!  Congratulations, you both know the definition of coercion and how to use it completely ineffectively!

I'm excited that someone wants to argue.

You are using the term coercion a little loosely.  I guess you could say that the government uses it to get people to pay taxes, but I just don't think it's appropriate.

I'm not coerced to pay taxes, but I would be if I refused to.  I'm willing to pay taxes because I recognize that it is necessary.  I'm also allowed to vote for leaders that promise to lower taxes if I choose to do so.
Taxing junk food isn't coercion because nobody is forcing you to buy junk food.

Don't assume that I believe the government should make us lose weight.  I do believe that if my kids are going to be forced to take PE in grade school then they might as well take advantage of it.

I already said that I believe that individual responsibility is very important.
I don't believe the government should tell me what to do, but WE as a society need to do something about it.  WE are the government.

Do me a favor and answer these questions

Do you support an increase in funding for youth sports programs?
Do you support a tax on junk food?
Do you support creating tax incentives for people who are thin?
Should insurance companies be allowed to discriminate against fat people?
Do you believe that if children get fat, it's their own problem?

Do you really think you were going to get into that school anyway? Or is it some pseudo-noble, grand ideal of a meritocracy that you're falsely hiding behind?

Please, indulge us. Why the concern for "equality" now, in this very specific context?

This is a hard question to answer. First of all, if AA didn't exist I still wouldn't have been able to get into my number 1 choice because I wasn't really "on the bubble" anyway.
I'm sure there were a few people on the bubble though and they can cry themselves to sleep.

I'm just bugged because now I have to pay out-of-state tuition at my #3 option, but if I were a black female I would have been accepted to my number 1.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 12:49:52 PM »
Maybe you should look up coercion in the dictionary.

Are you a liberatarian?  Do you believe smoking should carry the same tax rate as all other goods?
None of the options I put on the poll include any "coercion"

Increasing funding for youth sports programs isn't threatening, it's an INCENTIVE.
What if we mandated that students who go to government funded public schools have to exercise every morning?  What freedom would that take away?  We mandate that they have to take ART classes.

General Off-Topic Board / Hey Liberals! Read this!
« on: April 03, 2008, 12:36:11 PM »

Read that article and give me your opinions.
I'm a moderate, so I'll try to be open minded to your "tax the rich" mentality, but I'm tired of stupid democrat talking points like "I talked to a secretary that pays a higher tax rate than her CEO"  People should learn the difference between tax rates, and taxes paid.  Often times lower average tax rates actually lead to more tax revenue.


General Off-Topic Board / Re: Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 12:32:09 PM »
The question is the problem.  What should the Government do?  You assume the Gov't should or can do anything to alter what people eat.   Do people really lack the self-respect and responsibility to manage the minutia of their lives?  There’s a growing portion of this country who want to shield themselves from reality by passing the tough choices economically and morally on to the G-men.  Just stop.

I'm all about personal responsibility, but the consequences of obesity are not immediate, so many people procrastinate.

And apparently people do "really lack the self-respect and responsibility" to stop getting fat.  Why is america getting fatter?  What's causing the problem?
Is it inactivity, or the lack of motivation?  Or something else entirely?

General Off-Topic Board / Your Opinion on Obesity
« on: April 03, 2008, 12:09:17 PM »
A new study claims that by 2020 half of all adolescents will be obese. (BMI greater than 30)

Senator Obama claims that if we could reduce obesity levels to where they were in the 1980's it would save the country over 1 trillion dollars.

So what can the government do about it?


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