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someone with j.d. but without ph.d, for chrissakes.  no one dispute whether someone with ph.d properly called doctor.

in land of blind, one-eyed person do all work.

Law school professors who have JD's and no Ph.D don't call themselves doctor, but I never had a professor in another discipline who held a J.D..

I think I'll just have students call me by my first name or professor if they feel the need for formality.

All in all, from what I've learned from active attorney's in my area, is that where you went to school is far less important than if you're good at what you do.

That's true, but there are thousands of attorneys who went to good schools who are good at what they do.  We live in a world of tiebreakers because we have two attorneys for every attorney job.

Non ABA schools are a very good option considering you can practice law almost anywhere so long as you pass the bar in California and practice for a few years before applying to take the bar in another state.

Almost anywhere?  Care to list the states that do this?  (I don't mean to be snarky, but it's not close to almost anywhere)

The ABA is nice but is very over rated. I think people are going to see a shift as the cost v. benefit of attending an ABA school is not what it once was when you compare dollars and cents.

Yes, the ABA is overrated, but non aba schools need a few different things.  They need to get state bars on board, they need higher quality students, and they need employers to get on board.   Really, once employers get on board, students and state bars will follow suit.

Transferring / Re: University of San Francisco v. Golden Gate University
« on: August 06, 2012, 02:32:22 PM »
If OP has a decent legal mind as well as networking skill, then I'd say he should probably choose whichever one will lead to less debt.

Outside the top national and top regional schools, a large majority of law students will live and die by their persistence and ability to network.

I think it's wise, when making a decision on schools, to assume you are going to be the median student at each school.  Contrasting the career prospects of the #1 student at GGU and #1 student at SFU will look very different than contrasting the median law student at each school.

Law School Admissions / Re: A URM ethical conundrum
« on: August 06, 2012, 02:24:57 PM »
Ajax27: I think you are mixing responsibilities.

OP should check the box, because they asked a question, and OP should answer it honestly.  If they ask, "How did your minority status lead to different challenges than white people face" then OP should answer honestly as well.

It's not the applicants job to interpret all of the philosophies that go into the admissions decision.  It's the applicants job to be honest and showcase themselves.  If the law school wants to find out more information, they are welcome to ask for that.

Law School Admissions / Re: 2.43 gap questions
« on: August 06, 2012, 02:18:12 PM »
The word on the internet is that addendum's are most effective to demonstrate a trend.  So if your GPA has improved significantly over time, the addendum can be helpful.  I spoke with an admissions officer who said that addendum and personal statements are generally used as tiebreakers.  But since you are a splitter with a high LSAT score, the addendum may be helpful in demonstrating that your LSAT score is a better indication of the real you than the GPA.  IN my experience that isn't generally true.

I've also heard that excuses don't work well.  Demonstrate your perseverance through adversity by focusing on what you learned from the experience.

Honestly craigslist is the best place to look (at least where I live).  State Bar websites often have job postings as well, so that may be a good place to look.

Your question is a bit too broad.  Care to share any details about what you'd like to do (Runner, receptionist, secretary, legal secretary, full paralegal?)  What size of firm?

I would suggest you target the same type of place you'd like to practice law in.   For example, if you'd like to work as an associate for a firm with more than 100 attorneys, then it probably won't help you very much if you are a secretary in the victims assistance department at your local DAs office. 

Good luck with everything!

I worked as a clerk for a medical malpractice firm and we relied on expert nurses all the time to wade through those nasty files.  I'm a lawyer now, but I steered clear of medical malpractice.  If you are committed to Med-mal, you're outlook will be a lot better because of your background and "free" (you paid a price) education.


Additional question.  I am teaching a college political science class this fall.  How douchey, on a scale of one to ten, would it be to ask them to call me Doctor?

I don't really want the freshmen to call me by my first name, and "Mr _____" seems odd to me.   Perhaps i'll go with "professor."

Current Law Students / Re: Best Option
« on: August 01, 2012, 09:40:48 AM »
Legal Careers are so unpredictable, so it's hard to give great advice.

Lawyer starting salaries have been dropping since 2007, and the median starting salary for the class of 2010 was $63,000 for those who were working full time and reported a number.  So that means the median starting salary is much lower.

For those who reported in 2008, the bimodal distribution is pretty clear, which means a significant percentage of graduates make under 50,000.  And you have to figure that a large percentage of those who do not report their salary are not making good money.

Lawyers do have pretty good income potential over the long term, though.

So when considering law, it really comes down to some heavy introspection.  1) Will you do well academically, 2) will you aggressively and effectively network, and 3) will you like working as a lawyer?   

The sad thing is that #1 is unpredictable, #2 is generally overestimated by people, and #3 is almost impossible to know because you can't predict what job you'll end up in.  I absolutely love white collar criminal defense and construction litigation, but I hate family law, collections, and probate.  I had to take a job where I primarily do family law and collections, and I'd rather be outside digging ditches.

Financially though, I still believe the law is a good investment.  If you take out 120,000 in loans, you'll probably be paying loan payments of $10,800 a year for 25 years.  I think the median lawyer from the schools you mention will probably make 10k a year more than the median bachelor's degree holder or the median MPA or MBA from the schools you mention.

Paralegal work isn't bad, but there is a low income ceiling.  You can easily probably find a good job for 50k a year with good hours, but you'll never make much more than that (adjusted for inflation).

Law School Admissions / Re: Just looking for feedback
« on: July 24, 2012, 11:00:05 AM »
Gonzaga might be a good fit for you.  It's not on the coast, but it's still in Washington.
You'd probably have a good shot at Oregon (higher LSAT lower GPA).  I had similar stats and I was waitlisted there.
You might be able to get some money to go to McGeorge (university of the pacific)
I also got massive scholarships at some T3 schools in the northeast. 

I think the most important think for someone with your numbers is to figure out where you'd like to work.  You will need to depend quite a bit on networking and internships, and it's difficult to network and get internships in a city you don't live in.

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