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Transferring / Re: Transfer Options?
« on: August 13, 2012, 09:05:07 AM »
Oh, and the Jack 24 thing has been with me since I was first accepted to law school.  It may be linked to some psychological problems I have, but it's more likely due to the fact that 24 was awesome back then.

I could change it to Jack from lost... but then it might seem like I have daddy issues and I'm running from responsibility.

Maybe someone current is better?  Perhaps Michael from Burn Notice or Harvey from Suits?   

Transferring / Re: Transfer Options?
« on: August 13, 2012, 08:57:57 AM »
Sorry to spoil your day Jack, but there is actually a school that picked me up for the fall, as amazing as that is, and I fully admit it's kind of a shock. You see Jack, not everyone needs to be in some silly % of their class or on the LSAT to get a job as a lawyer, and nothing that happened in or before law school will matter to those of us with the ability to practice law, not just be super way cool neato law students... I have yet to see that pay anyone's rent. And some of us have lives outside of law school that require part time attendance, giving us credit hour per term issues. Law schools are pure evil and don't care, and I understand that, but I also understand that if I just get through the child advocacy job I have waiting for me will be worth it. Now, as I obviously don't need anymore advice from this site I'm going to leave you to your meaningless diatribe about %'s of this and %'s of that, and whatever other kicks you get out of having been on this site for 4 years-have a nice life Jack. The jack24 w/pick of Sutherland really screams little big man issues by the way, which of course will make you a perfect weasel lawyer at some firm somewhere. Do yourself a favor someday jack/24, have sex with a stripper, get in a bar fight, do something besides be such a damn weasel all your life. I feel sorry for men like you.

Wow.  I'm sorry to have insulted you so.

Most of the points you make are valid.  I can understand where you are coming from.  But the legal field is absolutely brutal.  Employers, due to their inability to effectively investigate candidates, depend largely on schools to weed out candidates. 

Jobs are just so tough to come by.  A state court in my area had a staff attorney opening.  The position paid under 45k a year, and they received over 120 applications from licensed attorneys.

I work as a "weasely" lawyer now, but it was tough to get here.  I was in the top quarter at a t2.  I was on the boards of law review and moot court, and I had great summer jobs during law school.     I sent out far more than 500 emails and 100 letters.  I applied for more than 100 open positions.  Through two years of networking and toiling I got three job offers.

I know for a fact that almost all legal employers only interview people they know and people who have an impressive resume.

So while I can understand why you would be upset at me, I still believe it is best for you, based on your prior performance, to fight like you have an uphill battle ahead.  You should keep that in mind as you decide whether to spend more time and money pursuing this particular goal. 

The legal field is tough, and it is full of countless lawyers who ended up in jobs they didn't want.


Where are you a Prof at? In law or another field?

I'm a lawyer right now, but I'm teaching some state college classes at night.  I'm teaching political science this semester and business law next semester.  I don't know why, but I don't really want students calling me "Mr. _____" or using my first name. 

someone with j.d. but without ph.d, for chrissakes.  no one dispute whether someone with ph.d properly called doctor.

in land of blind, one-eyed person do all work.

Law school professors who have JD's and no Ph.D don't call themselves doctor, but I never had a professor in another discipline who held a J.D..

I think I'll just have students call me by my first name or professor if they feel the need for formality.
You guys miss the point, I am saying that the Prof for BarBri(Kaplan owned) BarPrep that they teach at law schools via recording (the one with the PhD which I mention only to stree he is educated) tells that it would be a wrong answer on an MPRE question to say it is ok to advertise that your attorneys are all "Juris Doctors" since ethics boards expect you to use the "idiot standard" where if even an idiot would fall for it, you can't do it. That is what I was trying to tell you.

Not saying BarBri can't be wrong, but it's what their JD/PhD Prof has on tape going to law schools across the nation.

Sorry if I missed the point, but my response was merely in reference to my question about what to have my students call me.
But it makes sense that the ethical rules would cut against using the term Doctor in any ads.

Transferring / Re: Transfer Options?
« on: August 10, 2012, 12:30:55 PM »
If you look through my posts you'll see I'm not a troll.

Generally speaking, the answer to your question is no.  There are not any ABA accredited schools that would take your transfer application.  However, in an effort to be helpful, I'd like to know why your past performance is anomalous and not direct evidence of what to expect in the future.

On paper, you are someone who scored at around the 40th percentile on the LSAT.  You are likely somewhere in the bottom quarter of your law school class, and you fell below the minimum credit-hours per term.  Usually, that means you received incompletes or Fs in a class or two.

With the adversity you face, I think it's folly to continue in law school UNLESS you have some clear and concrete career path.   Care to share your career ambitions?

Transferring / Re: Transfer Options?
« on: August 10, 2012, 09:56:38 AM »
I'm tempted to call this thread a flame.

If your story is real, I don't see why you would throw good money (or debt) after bad. 

If you were applying for a transfer, what would you argue to convince them your past performance is not an indication of your potential?

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Summer Income
« on: August 10, 2012, 09:03:44 AM »
Bar rules? What are you talking about?

I think Mr. Cooley is referring to the ABA 20 hour work rule, which is the most blatantly abusive rule I've seen in my time.

I had to sign a form each semester promising I wouldn't work more than 20 hours a week.  I asked my school what would happen if I didn't sign and they said I wouldn't be able to graduate.  It only applied to students with 12 credits/semester or more.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Summer Income
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:24:03 AM »
I'm sorry to hear about your insurance problems.  I always assumed that school insurance (via your Wife) was cheap even though it has a reputation for being crappy.

Your situation may qualify you for some special cash scholarships, depending on your school.  Some schools also offer summer stipends of 5k-15k to do certain types of work.

The very very fortunate among us can still get a large firm clerkship and make 4000 or so during 1L summer and 6000 or so during 2L summer, but that is so very rare these days.  (I'm a 2011 graduate, and of our Law Review editorial board, only about 1/3 had paid internships)

Your option is to get a job you can handle (I cleaned offices during 1L and made good money), max out grad plus loans, and take advantage of income based repayment.


I think RobWreck makes some valid points, but law school is very different for each individual.  While I believe the 3 hours of prepwork for one hour of class may be necessary for some people, I don't think it is for the median law student.  I had a couple little kids and a wife at home during law school.   I was a top quarter graduate at a 50-100 school and I did law review and moot court.

During 1L, I worked hard and efficiently from 8 to 5pm, monday-friday, including class time.  That went up for the last few weeks of the semester.  I honestly think that was far too much time, and I believe I wasted a lot of time on stuff that didn't matter. 

If you are creative, at least 50% of your commute can be used preparing for finals.  You can try to get special permission to record your classes (this wouldn't help me much), you can get some study aids on CD, and you can read commercial outlines and outlines from upperclassmen out loud and record them.  Some people have to read to learn though.

I honestly believe that if you are OK getting Bs in a full-time program, you only need to dedicate 15-20 hours a week to non-class time.  You have to be consistent, and you have to take shortcuts. 

For example, during 2L I had to dedicate a lot of time to law review and moot court and my kids.   I made sure to get an outline for my class from a prior student and I took notes on that outline as I listened in class.  I only read the case summaries and headnotes for the assigned reading, and my finals prep consisted of improving my outline and taking practice tests.  This approach worked very well for me and my grades actually went up substantially.  I found reading and analyzing cases to be a complete waste of time.   However, some people can't deal with this approach.   I knew one 40-year-old mother of four who simply had to read every line of every case and make all of her own outlines.  She did well, but it took three times as long.

Online Law Schools / Re: Help me pick an online law school
« on: August 07, 2012, 08:52:36 AM »
†Concord Law School’s programs are designed to prepare graduates to pursue employment in their field of study, or in related fields. However, Concord does not guarantee that graduates will be placed in any particular job, eligible for job advancement opportunities, or employed at all.

I give Concord points for being truthful.

I think that all schools say that nowdays to avoid being sued. Even the ones that claim near 100% placement still say it on their radio ads.

Law schools have Radio Ads?   It makes me sad to think anyone chooses a lawyer based on radio ads, but choosing a law school based on a radio ad is ten times worse.

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