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You should take a look at Chambers and Partners, an excellent, free, online resource for firms and their practice area strengths. Though that last statement must sound like a plug, I swear I do not work for them.

Glancing quickly at the top firms for Financial Services Regulation: Banking and Securities (the practice area I think you're referring to), we see:

Sullivan & Cromwell
Arnold & Porter
Davis Polk
Mayer Brown
Sidley Austin
Simpson Thacher

Many national firms have their security reg. practices located in D.C., one of the toughest legal markets in the country. Whether you have a shot at any of the above really depends upon which market you apply to and the strengths of your past experiences.

Not to state the obvious, but if you are a median student at a T2, it will be tough to get into any of the above firms. You may have an "easier" time cracking into one office of the above (for example, Arnold & Porter's NY office) and then moving to the office where the bulk of that firm's regulatory practice group resides.

Another option to consider is going back to work at any of the US regulatory agencies you've worked for in the past. If you have the opportunity to "climb the ladder" at certain agencies, you may have a much better chance of lateraling into firms such as the above.

Good luck to you!

Job Search / 2L Grades: vent here if necessary
« on: May 14, 2008, 09:21:21 AM »

I know its too early for most people to comment on this, but is anyone else as disappointed in their 2L grades as I am in mine? Why didn't I take more seminars?

I hope my firm doesn't care THAT much about my significant dip in GPA. One of the only reasons I snagged an associateship last summer was due to a freakishly good 1L second semester...but since then I haven't come close to recreating that past performance. My first semester 2L year I thought my grades were impacted by my callback schedule, so I wrote it off...but I'm doing just as poorly this semester as I did last semester sans any excuse.

If this comes back in the form of a cold/no offer this summer, I am absolutely going to flip out.

Job Search / Re: PT to FT at Fordham - OCI?
« on: May 14, 2008, 09:03:41 AM »
Doesn't hurt you at OCI at all. However, know that your summer grades will be available to employers by the time OCI rolls around. Though many firms you interview with will not ask for an updated transcript, I know of a few people who may have been hurt during the OCI process due to their summer grades...

If you go abroad during the summer to catch up on credits, whatever grades you get overseas will not count towards your GPA. You could rack up a bunch of C's and noone would ever know (and trust me, it happens!).

Job Search / Re: FBI, CIA, State and other 'BigGov' 2L Gigs
« on: May 07, 2008, 09:11:57 AM »
1) somewhat more flexible re: school name
2) more competitive than BigLaw in a number of ways.

Have 2 friends at NYU/Col, both top third, both interviewed CIA/State Dept for summer positions and both got squat. Both have good international experience/backgrounds.

Of course, they had no trouble landing V20 associateships...but who's surprised.

Current Law Students / Re: Two RA positions, which would you pick?
« on: March 28, 2008, 06:54:19 PM »
Considering you're interested in the subject, I recommend choosing the RA position with the professor, but only if you like/respect him or her. I am currently RA'ing for a professor, and the fact that I think she's an amazing professor makes all the difference in the world. Furthermore, as another poster mentioned, getting to know a professor on a more personal level is always a handy connection to have. Unless you're incredibly strapped for cash, I don't know if the slight difference in pay justifies choosing the library position.

Current Law Students / Re: How bad will the hiring market be in 2008-2009?
« on: February 20, 2008, 05:28:02 AM »
Because it's early and my reading comprehension is not tops right now, to clarify, when you say "rising 3L summer associate" are you referring to the graduating class of 2009?

Job Search / Re: What % of Class Gets BigLaw at Fordham?
« on: February 20, 2008, 05:20:35 AM »
When the market is hot, Fordham does well. While I believe that 50% of the 90% who reported did not wind up at V100 firms, it's not outlandish to believe that roughly 40% wound up at places paying 125-165k.

When the market takes a downturn however, well...that's a different story. For any "security" at Fordham I'd aim for at least top third.

Job Search / Re: Anyone Concerned About Getting an Offer
« on: January 23, 2008, 12:55:38 PM »
Sorry I didn't clarify...Yes, I was referring to 1Ls this year who will be applying to large firms for the first time this summer during OCI, not to 1Ls who will be SAs this summer.

Job Search / Re: Anyone Concerned About Getting an Offer
« on: January 23, 2008, 10:31:06 AM »
Depending upon the firm/city, firm's generally will not "no offer" their summers based strictly upon grades. If you perform well over the summer (and as I hear it, the bar is not set too high) you should be fine. Granted, I say this while still being rather nervous myself, but that's risk aversion for you...

If anything, I feel for the current 1Ls. My prediction is that the majority of firms in major markets will not dip below a 90% permanent offer rate (in the worst possible scenario) to current 2Ls in 2008, but that firms will cut back on summer hiring for 2009.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FORDHAM 1L taking questions.
« on: February 27, 2008, 06:04:56 AM »
hey all,

i'm a 2L from Fordham who would be happy to pitch-in with answering questions as well. To the OP, congrats on finishing your brief...nothing like being in the home stretch of your 1L year.

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