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Job Search / Re: summer job
« on: March 30, 2008, 01:14:08 PM »
If you have the option to use different resumes to submit to different firms, I'd consider not including your criminal law club officer's position at all. It demonstrates an interest, which is ok for a firm that has a criminal practice (or if you can spin it into "i like securities fraud, etc, which mainstream firms may practice civilly). However, my impression is that officer positions have almost no weight unless you're president of a group (most organizations get very little real work out of their officers, but I digress). It's a good conversation starter if you need it but not a very effective selling point on why they should hire you.

another interesting topic for another day is when and what to start removing from your resume as it fills up with legal accomplishments, and what not to include at all (I personally don't see the point of putting "dean's list" on your resume if your GPA demonstrates good grades, for example).

This is true. In truth, officer positions are for those who couldn't do anything real.  Do firms really respect the fact that you were on the SBA and helped plan the drinking parties all semester? Or that you helped distribute flyers to generate interest in the crim law club? The only point of clubs is to be around people with similar interests and maybe get some good discussion out of it.

I say leave it off your resume altogether.

Job Search / Re: funding sources for unpaid summer?
« on: March 17, 2008, 06:33:51 PM »
I received an offer for an unpaid internship for the summer in DC. I'm self-supporting (no family) and paying out of state tuition at my school in FL. Any recommendations on places to look for summer funding? I will probably take some kind of PT paid job, but if there are any stipends or grants out there whose deadlines haven't popped up yet, I'd appreciate any suggestions! I'm a female non-minority student in FL. My school isn't cooperative about creating your own externship programs, either.


Just have your school pay. Mine pays like $20/hr for unpaid summer internships. It's a bit of a hassle though, you have to have your acceptance letter from the job and proof that it's unpaid, AND you have to log like 40 hours/week.

Job Search / Re: Circuit Court Judge, Internship?
« on: March 02, 2008, 12:26:56 PM »

I have an opportunity to work with a Circuit Court Judge as an L0 with an acceptance letter from a T1 school.

I want to emphasize ‘work with’ over ‘intern.’  I will be performing IT duties and other more menial labors due to my background in computer science. 

I have three questions, if you would be so kind as to answer them (or point me to a website with relevant information):   :)

1)   Is a Circuit Court Judge Internship a prestigious position (does it usually pay, is it sought after, etc), or does it vary wildly by state?
2)   How much does it matter that I do internships in a state that I will eventually be working it? For example, I do not care where I work as a lawyer, as long as it is BIGLAW.  Do I need to intern in specific states (like not Montana, West Virginia, North Dakota, etc.) or will it not have an impact?
3)   Lastly, is this going to be a better resume builder than just jerking it over the summer, or could it potentially hurt my long term job prospects by nailing me down to one state?

I truly appreciate your helpful responses.  I look forward to the day I can pass on the advice that you give me.

I preferred to do nothing over 0L, firms pretty much hire based solely on grades, law review *gap* secondary jornals *biiiig gap* moot court/societies/etc.

However, this can only help you, if only to have something to talk about at OCI and such.

A few things though that you may not realize:

1. This is NOT the same as clerking for the judge. *Typically* COA clerkships go to the top of the class w/ senior law review positions at decent schools (Top 25 schools), last for a year, and start after graduation. Having an actual COA clerkship is pretty big and allows you to pretty much write your own ticket, get sign on bonuses with firms, etc.

2. The value in your offer is to see how things work in courts and maybe have some sort of recommendation for when you may or may not be looking for real clerkships in 3 years. Maybe even with this judge if you make a great impression, but that won't substitute for good grades.

3. It will look good on a resume, but represent it for what it is, don't play it up to be some clerkship or something. Misrepresentation might hurt you at OCI b/c they will know that it wasn't an actual clerkship despite your representation as such. Essentially, it's like cleaning toilets at the SCOTUS and saying you were a SCOTUS clerk, not the same thing.

4. All COAs are pretty prestigious, some much moreso than others.In order, I'd say DC, 4th, 9th, 2nd, 7th, and then the rest. However, you're not actually doing a judicial clerkship, so which one doesn't matter. I wouldn't move across the country to fix computers though, it won't help you that much. Regardless, working there won't tie you to an area.

Current Law Students / Re: rant
« on: February 29, 2008, 10:33:23 PM »
Ok, I'm completely stressed this semester. Not only am I falling behind in my class reading and unable to actually do briefs because of time constraints, but I have no idea how I'm going to deal with the fact that I have a final (for a course that lasted one year) in two weeks AND a brief due the day before that final. I'm nowhere near done with my outline, and I have no idea where to start with this brief.  :'( :'( :'( It just makes me want to go to sleep and do nothing. Siiigh.

Wouldn't it be better to stay on top of it instead of posting about it on the internet? I have yet to meet anyone through law school that has ever been as stressed as you seem to be.

Then again, those are probably the people putting in the time to get things done and not whining about it in person or on the internet.

Job Search / Re: in between insurance defense/contract work and v100, what?
« on: February 28, 2008, 02:19:30 PM »
Do any of you have experience looking for enjoyable work for law firms that fall between these extremes of lowly sucktitude and lofty towers? I'm imagining firms of 15-75 lawyers, but perhaps that is off the mark. Was your job search almost entirely a mail 100 letters for every 1 response jungle? do these sorts of firms usually only hire attorneys who have already passed the bar? Do you know of people who chose this type of work over "biglaw?" Anything that you think might be relevant to a person looking at such work would be much appreciated.

My school has this thing several times a year where employers come to the school and interview. All you do it submit your resume and they have to interview you. The hardest part is picking which offer to accept. It's called "OCI" at my school, perhaps your school has something similar?

Current Law Students / Re: My teacher asks questions
« on: February 26, 2008, 04:50:16 PM »
My Professor asks alot of questions in class, is that normal.


Current Law Students / Re: Studying in Bookstores
« on: February 26, 2008, 04:49:16 PM »
I can't decide whether you're oblivious or a very peculiar satire.

I think he's just an idiot trying to promote his blog.

I can only assume his blog consists of random discussions/rants nobody cares about, much like all the threads like this he starts on here.

My guess is that he has ideas throughout the day of things he thinks are witty or quirky that will really provoke discussion. Then, he posts them on here, day after day after day.

Job Search / Re: My professor has told me to write my own LOR
« on: February 26, 2008, 10:55:04 AM »
Look on the undergrad board, there are whole sections devoted to LOR writing.

Current Law Students / Re: curve question.
« on: February 26, 2008, 10:41:07 AM »
you probably have a 2.5 (I'd guess that's a c+). It really depends on how high of a grade the prof chose to give the people above you, though.

If the median is a B- or so, and OP scored in a little above the top half of the class, how do you figure he got a C+?

To OP, you probably got a B or B-.

Current Law Students / Re: Clerkship chances?
« on: February 23, 2008, 09:29:27 PM »
Unfortunately, you're only on a secondary journal. Do you at least have a senior staff position?

Thanks for the replies. I do live in a pretty desired area, so thats why Im trying to be realistic.

I did talk to career services already. They say that I am a good candidate. I am taking that with a grain of salt though. According to them, 5 people got federal clerkships this year.

I have thought about magistrate judges or state clerkships, but the firm that I am (hopefully) going to doesn't give clerkship bonuses or anything for them. I also don't know if they will still guarantee you an offer after that year.

As far as journal stuff goes, board interviews are coming up soon. Is there anything else that I could do between now and Aug (besides work on my grades) to increase my chances?

Try to get published if possible. It helps. Applying to a lot of judges helps.

If you're hellbent on clerking, there are other options. Many more people recently are working at a firm, then clerking after a year or two. Judges apparently love that b/c they get someone with experience rather than another fresh grad whom they have to train for 6 months to work for 6 months.

Also, I have known people that didn't do as well as they wanted in school so ended up doing a state clerkship, federal district the next year, and then circuit the next year. Pretty good route if you want to teach.

Oh, and don't get me wrong on grades, yours are excellent. However, I think the difference between top 8% and top 5% is like the difference between top 12% and top 10%. It's only a small jump, but I think it puts you in a different category. That's just what I have heard though.

Good luck!

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