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Job Search / Re: summer job
« on: March 30, 2008, 02:14:08 PM »
If you have the option to use different resumes to submit to different firms, I'd consider not including your criminal law club officer's position at all. It demonstrates an interest, which is ok for a firm that has a criminal practice (or if you can spin it into "i like securities fraud, etc, which mainstream firms may practice civilly). However, my impression is that officer positions have almost no weight unless you're president of a group (most organizations get very little real work out of their officers, but I digress). It's a good conversation starter if you need it but not a very effective selling point on why they should hire you.

another interesting topic for another day is when and what to start removing from your resume as it fills up with legal accomplishments, and what not to include at all (I personally don't see the point of putting "dean's list" on your resume if your GPA demonstrates good grades, for example).

This is true. In truth, officer positions are for those who couldn't do anything real.  Do firms really respect the fact that you were on the SBA and helped plan the drinking parties all semester? Or that you helped distribute flyers to generate interest in the crim law club? The only point of clubs is to be around people with similar interests and maybe get some good discussion out of it.

I say leave it off your resume altogether.

Job Search / Re: funding sources for unpaid summer?
« on: March 17, 2008, 07:33:51 PM »
I received an offer for an unpaid internship for the summer in DC. I'm self-supporting (no family) and paying out of state tuition at my school in FL. Any recommendations on places to look for summer funding? I will probably take some kind of PT paid job, but if there are any stipends or grants out there whose deadlines haven't popped up yet, I'd appreciate any suggestions! I'm a female non-minority student in FL. My school isn't cooperative about creating your own externship programs, either.


Just have your school pay. Mine pays like $20/hr for unpaid summer internships. It's a bit of a hassle though, you have to have your acceptance letter from the job and proof that it's unpaid, AND you have to log like 40 hours/week.

Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Thomas Cooley Students
« on: March 04, 2008, 08:40:10 AM »

Contrastly, working in a smaller firm, for example, you’re gonna get to go to court, do depositions, write motions, write memos, interview witnesses, perform trials – the “exciting” stuff. 


Give ‘em hell – and tell ‘em Thomas McIntyre Cooley sent ya!

Cooley:  Contrastly Your Honor! 
Judge:  Wha? [reeling in his/her mind, is that a word?]
Cooley:  d**mn it all! Contrastly!!!  My client... ahhh...Contrastly! Constrastly Contrastly!


Seriously though, I hear cooley might jump above Y in the rankings this year. Be on the lookout for those SCRAPPY, GRITTY cooley grads who WON THE WAR AGAINST ATTRITION.

Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Thomas Cooley Students
« on: March 04, 2008, 08:38:47 AM »
I had heard Cooley groups students into sections based on their gpa/lsat other puts all the students with scholarships together so that the majority of them lose their scholarships. True?

Also, how are there only 11k grads when Cooley graduates well over 1k now every year? Are they not counting the part-time students that makeup the majority of their student base?

This is a fact. Not a big deal though, you know going in that if you're in the bottom third you get kicked out.

Job Search / Re: Circuit Court Judge, Internship?
« on: March 02, 2008, 01:26:56 PM »

I have an opportunity to work with a Circuit Court Judge as an L0 with an acceptance letter from a T1 school.

I want to emphasize ‘work with’ over ‘intern.’  I will be performing IT duties and other more menial labors due to my background in computer science. 

I have three questions, if you would be so kind as to answer them (or point me to a website with relevant information):   :)

1)   Is a Circuit Court Judge Internship a prestigious position (does it usually pay, is it sought after, etc), or does it vary wildly by state?
2)   How much does it matter that I do internships in a state that I will eventually be working it? For example, I do not care where I work as a lawyer, as long as it is BIGLAW.  Do I need to intern in specific states (like not Montana, West Virginia, North Dakota, etc.) or will it not have an impact?
3)   Lastly, is this going to be a better resume builder than just jerking it over the summer, or could it potentially hurt my long term job prospects by nailing me down to one state?

I truly appreciate your helpful responses.  I look forward to the day I can pass on the advice that you give me.

I preferred to do nothing over 0L, firms pretty much hire based solely on grades, law review *gap* secondary jornals *biiiig gap* moot court/societies/etc.

However, this can only help you, if only to have something to talk about at OCI and such.

A few things though that you may not realize:

1. This is NOT the same as clerking for the judge. *Typically* COA clerkships go to the top of the class w/ senior law review positions at decent schools (Top 25 schools), last for a year, and start after graduation. Having an actual COA clerkship is pretty big and allows you to pretty much write your own ticket, get sign on bonuses with firms, etc.

2. The value in your offer is to see how things work in courts and maybe have some sort of recommendation for when you may or may not be looking for real clerkships in 3 years. Maybe even with this judge if you make a great impression, but that won't substitute for good grades.

3. It will look good on a resume, but represent it for what it is, don't play it up to be some clerkship or something. Misrepresentation might hurt you at OCI b/c they will know that it wasn't an actual clerkship despite your representation as such. Essentially, it's like cleaning toilets at the SCOTUS and saying you were a SCOTUS clerk, not the same thing.

4. All COAs are pretty prestigious, some much moreso than others.In order, I'd say DC, 4th, 9th, 2nd, 7th, and then the rest. However, you're not actually doing a judicial clerkship, so which one doesn't matter. I wouldn't move across the country to fix computers though, it won't help you that much. Regardless, working there won't tie you to an area.

Current Law Students / Re: rant
« on: February 29, 2008, 11:33:23 PM »
Ok, I'm completely stressed this semester. Not only am I falling behind in my class reading and unable to actually do briefs because of time constraints, but I have no idea how I'm going to deal with the fact that I have a final (for a course that lasted one year) in two weeks AND a brief due the day before that final. I'm nowhere near done with my outline, and I have no idea where to start with this brief.  :'( :'( :'( It just makes me want to go to sleep and do nothing. Siiigh.

Wouldn't it be better to stay on top of it instead of posting about it on the internet? I have yet to meet anyone through law school that has ever been as stressed as you seem to be.

Then again, those are probably the people putting in the time to get things done and not whining about it in person or on the internet.

St. Marys / Re: San Antonio, St. Mary's and general info
« on: February 29, 2008, 11:30:00 PM »

The top 5% have a shot at biglaw.  Of the remaining 95%, the upper half typically take jobs with the DA or JAG, or with a small firm; and the bottom half start up their own firms.

Really? How many law students are capable of starting their own practice right after graduation?  Doesn't it require start up costs, experience, etc.? 

It's not that easy, you need some experience realistically. No matter what you learn in school, you need to be familiar with the courts in your area and such. Of course you can technically not have any experience and learn through trial and error (pun intended), but you would serve your clients better to at least work with another small firm for a short period of time.

Of course it requires start up costs, just like any business.

Keep in mind though, people don't usually start big firms doing nice work. If you start your own practice, especially from a tier 3/4 school, you will likely work DUIs/misdemeanors/minor assault/shoplifting. That kind of stuff is easy to get down after you do the same type of cases over and over. It can also make you some money, but it's boring work. Especially knowing you're basically facilitating people getting off DUIs and committing crimes so you can get paid. SOMEONE needs to do that kind of work, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

St. Marys / Re: San Antonio, St. Mary's and general info
« on: February 29, 2008, 11:24:17 PM »
I hear it is decent since St. Mary's is the only law school in the South Texas area.  Good luck!

Oh, and an hour and 20 minutes north is the University of Texas, which is unquestionably the best law school within 900 miles, and you have to go at least 1,300 miles to find a legitimately better law school.

Well Chicago is about 1165 miles from Austin and Vanderbilt is less than 900 miles.  UT may be the best law school in the region, but its ranking is down (to 18); the 2007 pass rate on the Texas Bar was not so hot (ranking 7th out of the 9 Texas Law schools on the July 2007 exam and posting a 79% pass rate for the Feb. 2007 exam); a lot of its faculty members have left/may be leaving; the school wants to raise tuition by almost 50%; schools like Vandy, UCLA and GW now have higher medians; the law school is simply too large, given its location, to become elite; and it is located in a relatively small market.  So, I'm not so sure it's so great.

Yeah, Vandy is about 900 miles, which is the one I was referring to. I thought UC was further though, I was thinking about Duke originally. Regardless, the point still stands.

However, what's your point with the rest? It's not like another LS is going to spring up and beat TX in the rankings. The only schools that could dream of coming close in the region are UH, Baylor, and SMU. We know that won't happen, even if Baylor keeps its absurdly high bar passage rate.

Texas is a large market, unless you're referring to Austin specifically. However, that's not the scope of UT. People go to UT if they are smart enough to get in and want to practice in any major TX market (Austin, Dallas, or Houston) or in the south somewhere.

As far as tuition, its in state would need to double to be comparable to the tuition of its peer schools.

It's certainly not the best school in the country, but someone would be a fool to choose another Texas school over it for practicing in Texas. This is especially true given that the tuition is much better for an in stater than Baylor/SMU and the functional equivalent to UH.

St. Marys / Re: San Antonio, St. Mary's and general info
« on: February 29, 2008, 12:31:06 PM »
I hear it is decent since St. Mary's is the only law school in the South Texas area.  Good luck!

This is definitely true.

Oh, except SOUTH TEXAS College of Law, University of Houston, and TEXAS SOUTHERN University...All of those are equal or better than St. Marys.

Oh, and an hour and 20 minutes north is the University of Texas, which is unquestionably the best law school within 900 miles, and you have to go at least 1,300 miles to find a legitimately better law school.

Job Search / Re: in between insurance defense/contract work and v100, what?
« on: February 28, 2008, 03:19:30 PM »
Do any of you have experience looking for enjoyable work for law firms that fall between these extremes of lowly sucktitude and lofty towers? I'm imagining firms of 15-75 lawyers, but perhaps that is off the mark. Was your job search almost entirely a mail 100 letters for every 1 response jungle? do these sorts of firms usually only hire attorneys who have already passed the bar? Do you know of people who chose this type of work over "biglaw?" Anything that you think might be relevant to a person looking at such work would be much appreciated.

My school has this thing several times a year where employers come to the school and interview. All you do it submit your resume and they have to interview you. The hardest part is picking which offer to accept. It's called "OCI" at my school, perhaps your school has something similar?

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