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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Resume Building
« on: February 22, 2008, 01:05:58 PM »
What are the some of the things that law schools look for on a good resume?

Some law schools like substantial work experience after college, but that is by no means a prereq.  It'd have to be a "grown up" job.

Other than that, just be well-rounded.  In general, leadership positions, focused and sustained interest in a particular subject, and success in some sort of competitive activity are viewed favorably.  Quality over quantity!

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Views on illegal downloading
« on: February 22, 2008, 01:01:18 PM »

you're against public libraries?

No.  That is a spurious analogy:
1. Public libraries actually PAY for the materials they have.
2. Public libraries COMPLY with the law and the license-imposed restrictions on use of intellectual property
3. Public libraries allow the sharing of intellectual property with ONE person at a time, not with an unlimited number of people.
4. Public libraries allow a time-limited borrowing, not a permanent, unrestricted copy.
5. Public libraries are compatible with markets that allow a reasonable profit to artists.
.... and illegal bootlegging is none of these things.

If you want to sample or borrow a song, you have options.  You can listen to samples online or check out the CD from a library.  Downloading and keeping a huge library for your own personal use when the people who actually created your enjoyment get nothing is not justifiable on moral, legal, or practical grounds. 

If you insist upon file sharing, at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that it is justified only by bare, unprincipled, inconsiderate self-interest.

Some schools do telephone interviews with some candidates.  It's a little uncommon but probably not odd.  I'm not sure about Albany in particular.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Columbia 2L taking questions
« on: February 22, 2008, 12:52:11 PM »
I was held at Columbia this morning, but imagine that I would choose it over NYU.  Do you have an opinion on why one interested in big firm work would choose Columbia over NYU?  Or are the differences marginal?

I was choosing between NYU and Columbia.  Both gave me generous financial aid offers, but Columbia was slightly more generous.

If you just want to do big firm work in New York City then I think the career outcomes at the two schools are comparable.  If you want to do big firm work outside of New York City, I think NYU is fine but that CLS has an advantage.  This advantage is even bigger outside country, since Columbia has a tremendous international reputation and great international programs.  The CLS degree just carries better.  Likewise, If you want to do anything other than big firm work (gov., business, academia, public interest), I think CLS has a slight advantage.  (Although NYU probably sends more people to client-service public interest jobs, I think this is self-selection.)  Regardless, you'll do fine if you end up at NYU.

Although I did (and do) think that CLS has slightly better career outcomes, my decision was based more on "soft factors."  I found (and find) Columbia students to actually be a lot more laidback and collegial than NYU students (although this is certainly the opposite of what I had expected to find).  I also like Columbia's location in Morningside Heights a lot better than NYU's location in the Village.  The Village is a great place to go party--and I often do go there on weekends--but Morningside Heights is a much better place for me to live.  It has less crime, more parks/green, has the beautiful campus right here, is close to central park, and is a lot more easy-going than the more bustling village.  I also liked the fact that Columbia's housing is generally bigger, better, and cheaper than NYU's (and, unlike at NYU, is guaranteed).  These are more individual factors.  Some people would prefer the bustling Village to the quiet Morningside Heights or will find they click better with NYU people.

Law School Admissions / Re: Michigan OWND some high-numbers kids this year!
« on: February 22, 2008, 12:41:27 PM »
I guess the main question is: is anybody actually harmed even if Michigan is practicing yield protection?  If Michigan guesses correctly and they all get into HLS and would have gone to HLS (or whatever) no matter what, then no harm, no foul.

This mistakenly assumes that Y>H>S>C>C>N>M and that everyone wants to go to the highest USNews-ranked school to which they are admitted.  There are many such people, I admit, but I like to think they are not the majority.  (I don't like their kind.  I had the numbers and soft factors to be pretty certain to get in to at least a couple of HYS, but did not apply because their programs didn't interest me.  If Columbia had looked at my application and said "Man, this kid is overqualified.  We'll reject him since he's going to go to HYS anyway" then I would have been in a pretty bad position.

Michigan has a unique and interest program.  They attract a lot of people for that reason.  Such a person could be hurt if Michigan rejects him because he could get into a more selective school

Law School Admissions / Re: Financial aid question
« on: February 22, 2008, 12:33:35 PM »
I am not sure where else to post this so I will ask here.

Exactly how does the process work? Is it the same as undergrad? I am a dependent, and thus should I have my parents fill out the FASFA? Is it only the FASFA? What about the CSS Profile I used for private schools back in undergrad? Do I have to get them the codes for each school I've applied to?

Any help would be great, thanks.

The process is slightly different.  Here are some things worth knowing:
- For federal aid, law students are automatically considered independent even if they are dependent.  Thus, you usually don't have to fill out the parent section of the FAFSA.
- For institutional aid, your parents finances do matter.  This will be covered on other forms.
- Most law schools don't use the PROFILE, although some do.
- Most law schools use the "NeedAccess" application, which is sort of like PROFILE.
- You will need to know FAFSA codes, but I don't think that is too hard to find out.  For NeedAccess, I think you just search and find your school on the online application.

Have you applied yet?  Been accepted?  Most schools are very clear on what you need to do and when.  Look over the financial aid application instructions at the schools you've applied to.  They should tell you all you need to know.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Views on illegal downloading
« on: February 22, 2008, 12:27:00 PM »
I don't think there is any reasonable argument to be made, on either moral, legal, or practical grounds, that pirating music is anything other than wrong.  People who try to make such arguments are engaged in little more than rationalization rather than admit the truth:  They really don't give a damn about right or wrong, they just want the maximum benefit to themselves at the last cost.

In what way is an illegal downloader "entitled" to take and enjoy music for nothing in return?  They did nothing to earn or create it.  On the other side, the musicians that create the music and the industry that makes it available and known to a mass audience invest A LOT of time, effort, energy, and money into the process.  They deserve some sort of compensation, not only because it is "just" but because it is also economically efficient--it enables and encourages the development of quality music.

Illegal downloading slowed and continues to slow the development of a thriving, affordable, legal option for purchasing music online.  Widespread dishonesty and petty thievery has led musicians and record companies to demand intrusive Digital Rights Management on much of their music, and has led some to avoid putting it online.  Right now, the music industry is a less-than-perfect model, but continued efforts to rip-off musicians doesn't help that.

The only argument people give is that listening to music is somehow "fair use."  How?  How is it fair?  Fair to the people who worked their arses off and now get nothing?  Some people suggest it is fair because "Oh, the people it hurts are doing just fine either way."  That's not a justification in any way, but more importantly it's also a little myopic.  It ignores that it hurts EVERYONE through decreased quality and quantity of music offerings, increased music prices, DRM technology, and stilted development in legal digital music.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC vs. Northeastern
« on: February 22, 2008, 10:42:25 AM »
There's pros and cons to both.  The OP didn't even apply to BU so let's just stop here.

Cosmo is very wise, and right here.

Law School Admissions / Re: Michigan OWND some high-numbers kids this year!
« on: February 22, 2008, 10:36:01 AM »
For this reason, and this was really my only point: I just think it was a much better system for everyone involved when people applied to fewer schools that they were more interested in.

I completely agree with this.  I think a lot of things--including the number of fee waivers, the ease of applying, and the arbitrariness of the decisions by some schools--have led people to apply to WAY more schools than is necessary.  We need to cut that down!

That said, schools are pretty good at guessing their yields.  Schools always admit the strong candidates likely to turn them down early in the season, so don't put too much credit in what you see at UCLA and Vandy.  The vast majority of students who are going to end up there will get in with outright acceptances, rather than having to deal with the waitlist.

I think "fit" is a completely valid criteria to be considered both by schools in choosing applicants and by applicants in choosing schools.  I think the problem comes in when they measure it using wildly inaccurate criteria--like LSAT/GPA or the decision to write an optional essay.  If a school really wants to get at fit, they should require appropriate essays, ask probing questions, conduct interviews, or encourage campus visits.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC vs. Northeastern
« on: February 22, 2008, 10:05:02 AM »
BU is in fact very ugly on the outside and in the hallways, although the classrooms seem nice enough.  I will say that there really is not a clearcut winner between BU and BC.  Both are excellent schools.  I think it comes down to fit more than anything else.  Debating which is better, though often done, is just silly.

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